Trump's Assaults on American Proletarianism

[MadSquabbles500]

Wont Trump immigration policy, which I am assuming is basically just less immigrants, help domestic workers? If Trump wins trade war, brings more jobs back stateside, wont that offset much of what will hurt workers?

 

[luckyshot]

This thread is a bit whiny and full of #fakenews

Well, you're here, so we've solved that mystery.

 

[44nutman]

This thread is a bit whiny and full of #fakenews

Funny, calling someone whiny, coming from the guy or gal or trans, who did not have the balls to make an account bet with me.
Lying cowards don't get to call someone else whiny.

 

[luckyshot]

Wont Trump immigration policy, which I am assuming is basically just less immigrants, help domestic workers?

All that may be true. But i dont see how you think going against illegal imigration or less immigration hurts workers. Typially all around the world left wing nationalists and right wingers agree on not flooding the labor market.

@WaylonMercy5150

Great post, but if I were you I would delete immigration from the OP... not because there aren't good economic arguments to be made, but because it will be the only thing the #maga bois see or respond to, while conveniently ignoring the rest of the list.

To these guys, the "I word" is like the color red to a bull. A really stupid bull.

And while we are on the subject, while net economic impact of immigration is debatable, you are a MORON-- just a straight up halfwit-- if you think immigration is anywhere near the top of the list of factors that have led to stagnating wages for working people in this "country" (I put "country" in quotation marks because real countries have things like universal healthcare).

All the same, I would delete immigration from the OP and put everything else in bold.

 

[Seaside]

@WaylonMercy5150

Great post, but if I were you I would delete immigration from the OP... not because there aren't good economic arguments to be made, but because it will be the only thing the #maga bois see or respond to, while conveniently ignoring the rest of the list.

To these guys, the "I word" is like the color red to a bull. A really stupid bull.

And while we are on the subject, while net economic impact of immigration is debatable, you are a MORON-- just a straight up halfwit-- if you think immigration is anywhere near the top of the list of factors that have led to stagnating wages for working people in this "country" (I put "country" in quotation marks because real countries have things like universal healthcare).

All the same, I would delete immigration from the OP and put everything else in bold.

dude i am a socialist on the economic side of things. It is just in the west you guys think ILLEGAL immigrants are gods and are necessary. The UK also makes the same argument with doctors and foreign migrants. It is stupid and unique to the west and the hardon on for immigrants.

 

[panamaican]

Wont Trump immigration policy, which I am assuming is basically just less immigrants, help domestic workers? If Trump wins trade war, brings more jobs back stateside, wont that offset much of what will hurt workers?

Not necessarily on the first one.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publicat...ot-the-impact-of-immigration-on-labor-markets

Unclear on the second one as well. The bothersome issue for me is if we start the trade war and we resolve the fight that we started - how much of a win is that? We'd have to get major concessions from foreign markets to make that claim and so far we haven't shown the ability to do so. I'm pessimistic that this trade ware will result in an increase in domestic jobs net of the jobs that companies will relocate overseas to deal with the economic consequences to their foreign markets.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

@WaylonMercy5150

Great post, but if I were you I would delete immigration from the OP... not because there aren't good economic arguments to be made, but because it will be the only thing the #maga bois see or respond to, while conveniently ignoring the rest of the list.

To these guys, the "I word" is like the color red to a bull. A really stupid bull.

And while we are on the subject, while net economic impact of immigration is debatable, you are a MORON-- just a straight up halfwit-- if you think immigration is anywhere near the top of the list of factors that have led to stagnating wages for working people in this "country" (I put "country" in quotation marks because real countries have things like universal healthcare).

All the same, I would delete immigration from the OP and put everything else in bold.

Less supply of workers for McD's, Walmart, day laboring jobs, cleaning ladies, means more demand for the workers still here. So it isnt exactly a negative thing for domestic workers.

Even if less immigrants means less demand for services such as McDs, Walmart, day laboring, or cleaning ladies, RE prices will go down as there will be more RE supply.

Whether or not more cheap labor has stagnated wages or the computer, or robots or shipping jobs overseas is not what I am saying. Less cheap labor is not something Trump is doing to hurt the Cheap Labor.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Not necessarily on the first one.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publicat...ot-the-impact-of-immigration-on-labor-markets

Unclear on the second one as well. The bothersome issue for me is if we start the trade war and we resolve the fight that we started - how much of a win is that? We'd have to get major concessions from foreign markets to make that claim and so far we haven't shown the ability to do so. I'm pessimistic that this trade ware will result in an increase in domestic jobs net of the jobs that companies will relocate overseas to deal with the economic consequences to their foreign markets.

Well, at the very least it wont hurt our workers either, which is what I am thinking the OP is saying will.

 

[panamaican]

Well, at the very least it wont hurt our workers either, which is what I am thinking the OP is saying will.

The OP covered a lot more than just immigration and trade wars. And when taken as a whole, that's very different from taken individually.

 

[Gandhi]

Enacting tax cuts that overwhelmingly favor the wealthy over the average worker.

Taking billions out of workers’ pockets by weakening or abandoning regulations that protect their pay.

Blocking workers from access to the courts by allowing mandatory arbitration clauses in employment contracts.

Pushing immigration policies that hurt all workers.

Rolling back regulations that protect worker pay and safety.

Stacking the Federal Reserve Board with candidates friendlier to Wall Street than to working families.

Ensuring Wall Street can pocket more of workers’ retirement savings.

Stacking the Supreme Court against workers by appointing Neil Gorsuch.

Trying to take affordable health care away from millions of working people.

Undercutting key worker protection agencies by nominating anti-worker leaders.

Stand your ground! Americans visit http://www.cpusa.org/ to learn how you can help.

Proletarians Unite!

And just cancelled fed wage raise calling it "inappropriate".

 

[Gandhi]

Don't forget the new refusal to give federal workers a raise because we can't afford it but we're giving farmers billions for screwing with their industry and cutting taxes for people who didn't need it.

beat me to it

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Funny, calling someone whiny, coming from the guy or gal or trans, who did not have the balls to make an account bet with me.
Lying cowards don't get to call someone else whiny.

You ok babe?

 

[leto1776]

Proletarianizm? Stupid commies. Stop being so bankrupt.

 

[kpt018]

I have to admit I'm curious to see the angle the cult of Trump takes on the news that there is no money for federal workers to get a raise.

Can you Trumpsters please tell us how Trump represents the regular working man?

 

[Uber_Noober]

When will whiney sowflakes ever learn

 

[FlippyHambone]

We need to cannibalize billionaires and trillionaires. No one may have over 1 bn.
NOW FIX IT!!!

 

[Squarechoke]

I’m getting $600 more per month with the tax cuts as a middle class American. Damn you, Trump! Damn you to hell!

Hasn't independent calculations on the effects of the tax policy said that the lower and middle class benefit in the short term but reach a breaking point in 6-8 years (I've forgotten exactly when, according to the 3 sources I've read) where they start losing and the rich are the ones gaining?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Trumpers don’t even try anymore. They just post nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic.

“Lock her up”

See I can do it too

 

[ultramanhyata]

Less supply of workers for McD's, Walmart, day laboring jobs, cleaning ladies, means more demand for the workers still here.

Has Trump's war on illegals created increased wages in these sectors? Did I miss this?

 

[Jack V Savage]

OK, most of that is just union stuff, and that's an impasse because it's argued both ways without anyone gaining any ground. I'd really love to know how enforcing borders "hurts all workers", because it seems pretty clearly to be exactly the opposite.

??? There's nothing in the OP about borders, and borders have been enforced in America for many decades.

I'll skip more idiocy because you're an endless well of it.

The tax cuts thing is silly too. Of course the people who pay most of the tax revenue get more of a dollar break than people who pay in shit. Everybody who pays taxes got a tax cut and the middle class are seeing more in their paychecks. This isn't supposed to be class warfare, it's a tax cut for taxpayers.

The percentage change can be equal (or even benefit the middle class more) in theory, but the cut was not designed that way.