Trumpism vs. Woke-ism

Which movement is dangerous to a rational worldview?


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It’s interesting how people want to use the actions of the extreme fringe elements of their political rivals as justification to blanket label the entirety of that half of the spectrum
but won’t accept the same criticism back.
 
Both suck but I can't think of many people who have gone out and committed mass shootings, attempted bombings, or plotted to kidnap a Governor over wokeism.
 
when I hear "woke movement" its always a right wing pundit jawing about black protestors ravaging innocent little Trump supporters in the streets. Your definition is a little more broad
What you are describing sounds more like "assault" than "woke-ness." Of course, the Trump supporters are also prone to looking for fights.

Woke-ness is more of an ideology than an action; although, it is certainly an ideology that promotes extreme actions in some cases.

I would say that the central unfortunate characteristic of "woke-ness," as an intellectual phenomenon, is the tendency to seek to win its arguments by stifling opposing points of view rather than defeating them.

Like, if we are in a conversation about policing violence, and I bring up the disproportionately high violent crime rate in some African American neighborhoods, and I am said to be a racist just for bringing that fact up... that is the problem of woke-ness.

I may be a racist (or not), but a fact cannot be racist.

Both suck but I can't think of many people who have gone out and committed mass shootings, attempted bombings, or plotted to kidnap a Governor over wokeism.
I intentionally didn't include comparative terms in the OP. I think Trumpism is a more immediate threat, definitely.

However, I think the left is in danger of giving away the ideological high ground if they promote woke identity over actual policies that help people.
 
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Lol. Woke culture is silly, but it's based on legitimate issues.

Trump cultists are completely fucking detached from reality.
Its not really. Its based on a portion of issues used to exploit emotional young progressives. Exactly why none of those issues ever really see resolution.
 
As an enlightened centrist who is able to see that Both Sides are bad, tough call. Very tough call.


Lol, when you put it that way...

In reality, though, the "woke" position is less "All people deserve healthcare" and more "All whites are racist."



Oh so that's why he gained more votes among both Hispanics and blacks. Because neo-facism.
Blacks and Hispanics are in no way immune to fascist politics. Ever hear of Franco? Your argument makes no sense.
 
Lol, please. I'll never pretend the right doesn't have its issues but when it comes to pure insanity, we can't touch you guys.
The right elected Mad Magazine mascot George Bush jr & conman carnival barker failed businessman Trump to the highest office TWICE EACH. what about that is not insane?
 
Trumpism is being happy about what you believe in. Woke-ism is being angry at what others believe in.
 
The two diseases are not even comparable

Trump bullshit only affected 'merika, for only 4 years and just got defeated by elections. 10 years from now Trump will be remembered as a fat orange man that emit farts from mouth, but disastrous covid management aside, he did'nt caused much damage.
Who would reply "he divided us!" is an idiot, as the fact itself a fartman like Trump got elected was all about america being divided already under Obama

SJW bullshit affect whole western world, and is the tip of an iceberg that has been around well more than 4 years and it's destined to keep going for a while. It's already lefting a mark in history, doing immense damage

One is an american and less smart Berlusconi that lasted half of Game of Thrones years, the other is an immense cultural revolution aimed at destablize the western structure as we know it

It's lil cold vs ugly cancer in terms of actual effectiveness
 
It's funny seeing that exact people this poster is talking about coming in here to argue the exact way this poster is talking about lmfao.
 
I do agree that Woke-ism has more noble goals.

And I also agree that Trumpism is an absolute cancer on democracy that is a clear and present danger in this moment. It must be dealt with immediately.

However, I think the methods of "wokeness" are also fundamentally wrong.

I think the concern is that Trumpism has a lot of gov't power (increasingly dominant in the GOP and on the courts). "Wokeism" has more cultural power so it's more of an annoyance than a threat, though some regular (i.e., non-famous) people have lost their jobs for bad reasons.

In both cases, the definition is unclear, but what concerns me about the ideology around Trump is the tendency to tribalize everything and reject the idea of objective truth. Any facts he doesn't like are lies, and the people who are discovering/reporting them are his criminals and enemies of the state. That kind of thing leads to widespread unrest, bad climate policy, bad economic policy, bad healthcare policy, etc.--things with huge consequences for the entire country and world. The harm from wokeism is that it is annoying, some people have unfairly lost their jobs, money is wasted on ineffective training programs, people's social-media experience is lessened, etc.
 
The right elected Mad Magazine mascot George Bush jr & conman carnival barker failed businessman Trump to the highest office TWICE EACH. what about that is not insane?
Ok anti vaxxer ,who believes in 4500 genders.
 
I actually don't know what "woke-ism" is. I assume that "Trump-ism" is just blindly following Trump?
Wokiesm is not being an asshole to transgender people.

Trumpism is the scarily amount of people who think Biden rigged the election. The people who made a bomb threat on the polling place that Trump said should stop counting votes.


When Biden gets inaugurated next year the FBI are going to be busy trying to contain right-wing terrorism
 
Trumpism favors racisim, segregation, slavery & genocide

Black people just want equal opportunities & treatment. Ive yet to see a black person wave the equivelent of the confederate or nazi flag for fucks sake

Give me a break
This is such a bad take. Black and brown people have equal opportunities btw.
 
What is Trumpism?

The only thing I can see it being is a certain attitude. Look at McCain and think of it's opposite. That to me is Trumpism.

Can we get a definition?

I think it's the rejection of the idea that the truth exists independently of interests and that law should be applied equally.
 
It’s interesting how people want to use the actions of the extreme fringe elements of their political rivals as justification to blanket label the entirety of that half of the spectrum
but won’t accept the same criticism back.
Tribalism. And they're hypocrits. Quite simple.
 
Wokeism is worse because it actually exists.

No one actually worships Trump the way leftists pretend they do.
 
Trumpism is populism American way.
Reality Tv,steak with ketchup on top.
Its vulgar to appeals to vulgar people.


Wokeism is WAAAAAY worse then that.
Its socialist/marxist doctrine disguised as SJ.
 
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