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Trumpism vs. Woke-ism

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by luckyshot, Nov 19, 2020.

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Which movement is dangerous to a rational worldview?

  1. Trumpsim

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  2. Woke-ism

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  3. Both

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  4. Neither

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  1. luckyshot Voted Most Reasonable Platinum Member

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    In my mind Trumpism and Woke-ism are both anti-rational world views with more in common than they think.

    -- They both make-up their own facts.

    -- They both attack any objective standards of truth.

    -- They both rely on pseudo-religious emotionalism and belief in their own absolute righteousness that makes it easy to engage in ends-justify-means thinking.

    -- They both dehumanize those who disagree with their tenets.

    -- They both have fascist tendencies.
     
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  2. Yehudim Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Both, it’s going to be funny watching the partisans talk about how one is actually worse than the other. And it might be true, but it just distracts from the fact that neither needs to be defended.
     
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  3. jeffk Brown Belt

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    They feed off each other.
     
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  4. Rational Poster Actually the Best Poster

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    Well one of them is trying to undermine democracy as we speak and the other is trying to get you to be nicer to minorities.

    Doesn't seem like a fair comparison to begin with.
     
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    Trumpism is completely batshit crazy at this point. Incredibly pathetic.
     
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    Pretty tough call
     
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    Not related.
     
  8. luckyshot Voted Most Reasonable Platinum Member

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    I do agree that Woke-ism has more noble goals.

    And I also agree that Trumpism is an absolute cancer on democracy that is a clear and present danger in this moment. It must be dealt with immediately.

    However, I think the methods of "wokeness" are also fundamentally wrong.
     
  9. Rational Poster Actually the Best Poster

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    I'm not saying wokeism is even good, but it's basically comparing apples to literally Hitler at this point.
     
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  10. Ornife Black Belt

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    Ending racism and promoting social justice, inclusion, and equality is in no way analagous to literal neo-Nazi sympathizers attempting to overthrow democracy.
     
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    Wokeism is about pretending to have those goals to be part of a social group.
     
  12. Diogenes of Sinope Red Belt

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    Wokeism is worse.

    Trumpism didn't cause the country to issue a state of emergency with a mandated curfew because Trump supporters were burning down buildings and rioting
     
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    Like pottery
     
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  15. luckyshot Voted Most Reasonable Platinum Member

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    Depends.

    If you propose to end racism and promote social justice by any-means necessary up to an including attacking the very standards of truth and rationality by which non-coercive conversations can be had... then they can be seen as fairly analogous.
     
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  16. fuct. Gold Belt

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    The issue with Trumpism is that not only ignores facts, it disdains them.

    ALL non favorable reporting is branded as lies.
    ALL science they don't like is branded as false.

    So you would think that you could do some research and check some facts to see what science and reporting is accurate and what isn't, right? Simple enough! But wait.... Now fact checking is fake liberal biased lies planted by the deep state. That's right, the process of verifying facts can just be called liberal lies. So what are we left with? All news and scientists can't be trusted, and you can't even fact check them and explain why you disagree with them using facts because, you know...... facts don't support your arguments and are therefore fake.

    That's how this became a cult. Only Trump and Trump approved media/Youtubers can be believed. Only HE tells the truth and every single unfavorable report, study, or fact is just TDS fake news.

    How do we come back from this shit? These people aren't going to wake up when Trump is thrown out of office and suddenly realize they were brainwashed. This is their entire identity now for many of them and they are too far gone. Best case scenario would be that the sane half of the Republicans reject Trumpism and things get forced back into reality based platforms, but I am not hopeful considering the amount of people who voted for Trump after a 4 year dumpster fire.
     
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    Wokeism is inherently anti America.
     
  19. Oxycodone Purple Belt

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    Try it one more time, IMO.
     
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    Woke-ism reminds me of Animal Farm, where the animals oust the authoritarian humans and decide to run the show.

    they have a noble, righteous goal in mind....and even draft the "Animal Bill of Rights."
    as times progress, they make more and more amendments to these BIll of rights, end up excusing, defending , down right justifying abhorrent behavior , and end up practicing the very same acts they purportedly condemn.

    in the end...they have become the very thing they hated.
     

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