Crime Trump wants to deport US citizens. The ones born here. To citizen parents.

[Andy Capp]

As if anyone posting in the war room has a father figure in their life

 

[Andy Capp]

They probably couldn't give a fuck either way other than the voting base. There's no reason to think everyone is antisemitic. I always thought shylock referred to the mob although I'm a few decades younger than these two.

That people aren't familiar with the story nor with the character's depiction is quite surprising... unless, of course, it's been buried specifically because of the antisemitic element, in which case it's that which people should be taught.

We read/learned about the Merchant of Venice in school, among other Shakespeare plays. Are they not taught anymore?

 

[Andy Capp]

I think his daddy is doing more than high fives to him mate.

I suspect his hand isnt going that hig-

Ill stop

I had a different reason in mind but you... uh... beat meato it

 

[Anewt]

I think that's good though, I like that America is a beacon of civic nationalism and cosmopolitanism such that people risk love and limb to get here and know that one here they and their children will quickly be accepted as Americans. The idea that we'd get rid of birth right citizenship is what's odd to me. I get why the white nationalists in Trumps orbit are pushing for this but it goes against long held, institutionalized American normsand would make it harder to integrate immigrants.

We used to have many risk life and limb to get here... a lot ended up in the ocean not making it. The alure of making it kept them coming. Once we changed the laws we went from many dieing taking the chance to very few.

So it worked for us in a few ways. Lowered people smuggling and deaths mainly which was the primary goal. Also removed a lot of the exploiitation of illegals once they made it here. [ sadly a fee still slip through and overstay on visas and get exploited tho ]




Different kettle of fish to in the usa tough.

The whole birthright thing is pretty much only done in the americas. We used to have it untill relatively recently along with nz. Just got exploited far far to much

[Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Gambia, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela.]

Are the nations that do birth right citizenship. The rest of the world shifted away from that awhile ago.

We got sick of people dying , people getting exploited and heinous groups and people profiting from it.. it wasnt something to love.

It was . Crap. we are causing some of this with our current policies. The reward was worth the risk to far to many people..

Removed the reward. Peoplr stopped taking the risk..

Turns out correct by the numbers

 

[Crazy Source]

Well. We got rid of that silly birthright law ages ago in australia.

The way your system is set up it just encourages pepople to try make it to usa.regardless the cost and risk.

Its like dangeling a million dollar prize in front of peoples faces then getting surprised people are willing to hurt themselves and others for the prize that could chsnge their entire families lives.

its beyond exploitive. Yet people defend it due to their " compassion "


Quite odd

Then change the Constitution. An EO doesn't do that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

We used to have many risk life and limb to get here... a lot ended up in the ocean not making it. The alure of making it kept them coming. Once we changed the laws we went from many dieing taking the chance to very few.

So it worked for us in a few ways. Lowered people smuggling and deaths mainly which was the primary goal. Also removed a lot of the exploiitation of illegals once they made it here. [ sadly a fee still slip through and overstay on visas and get exploited tho ]




Different kettle of fish to in the usa tough.

The whole birthright thing is pretty much only done in the americas. We used to have it untill relatively recently along with nz. Just got exploited far far to much

[Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Gambia, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela.]

Are the nations that do birth right citizenship. The rest of the world shifted away from that awhile ago.

We got sick of people dying , people getting exploited and heinous groups and people profiting from it.. it wasnt something to love.

It was . Crap. we are causing some of this with our current policies. The reward was worth the risk to far to many people..

Removed the reward. Peoplr stopped taking the risk..

Turns out correct by the numbers

Old World states care more about lineage but I say keep that in the Old World, I much prefer New Worlds style civic nationalism of which birthright citizenship is a cornerstone.

 

[Anewt]

Old World states care more about lineage but I say keep that in the Old World, I much prefer New Worlds style civic nationalism of which birthright citizenship is a cornerstone.

Yeah . We had it. It just became far to exploited.. and who can really blame someone for trying to time their birth in australia. Free healthcare alone would make that a extremly tempting decision let alone anything else on top of that.

Cant fault anyone for wishing proper medical access for a birth. we still provide that of course our healh care is for anyone in australia. But the child isnt considered a australian citizen if both parents yank / indian what not. 1 aussie suffices i think

america has a entirely different ethos and the whole illegal immigration thing hasnt been sorted for a long time and its left a lot of people in limbo.

Seems many people want the underpaid labor class... more than they actually care for the people.


Not directed at you or anyone in particular, just a observation from some of the arguements ive seen

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You sound like you're about to cry, LOL.

On brand.

 

[Koya]

Deport all ze/zir blue hairs. Give THICC Protected Status to all THICCC Latinas.

Spoken like a true man of the people. Take my vote.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I think that's good though, I like that America is a beacon of civic nationalism and cosmopolitanism such that people risk love and limb to get here and know that one here they and their children will quickly be accepted as Americans. The idea that we'd get rid of birth right citizenship is what's odd to me. I get why the white nationalists in Trumps orbit are pushing for this but it goes against long held, institutionalized American normsand would make it harder to integrate immigrants.

People want to get rid of birthright citizenship for the same reason they want to get rid of many things: it makes their own lives that much more privileged by default. Furthermore, when we allow one qualification, the door is open for unlimited qualification. Citizenship becomes yet another (powerful) lever to yank on, and the decision of who gets to be a citizen rests with whoever has enough control to change it their way.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Fetishizing citizenship is a destructive idea. civic duty STARTS with citizenship, it doesn't end with it.
I see no reason to stink up the idea of citizenship with the slime of criminality.

 

[ermac88]

Fetishizing citizenship is a destructive idea. civic duty STARTS with citizenship, it doesn't end with it.
I see no reason to stink up the idea of citizenship with the slime of criminality.

wut?

 

[Islam Imamate]

wut?

These people will vomit out any nonsensical argument in defense of Trump.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah . We had it. It just became far to exploited.. and who can really blame someone for trying to time their birth in australia. Free healthcare alone would make that a extremly tempting decision let alone anything else on top of that.

Cant fault anyone for wishing proper medical access for a birth. we still provide that of course our healh care is for anyone in australia. But the child isnt considered a australian citizen if both parents yank / indian what not. 1 aussie suffices i think

america has a entirely different ethos and the whole illegal immigration thing hasnt been sorted for a long time and its left a lot of people in limbo.

Yes America is different in that sense though of course Trump would like to change that.

Seems many people want the underpaid labor class... more than they actually care for the people.

Even if that were true, so what? It's a mutually beneficial arrangement and allowing them to legally work through temporary protection status makes it harder to exploit them.

Not directed at you or anyone in particular, just a observation from some of the arguements ive seen

You could just as easily turn it around and say the main reason people are against birthright citizenship had nothing to do with concern for immigrants making the dangerous journey here, it's almost always about xenophobia towards migrants. And when a presidential candidate openly lies on TV to slander immigrants while advocating these policies its hard to shake that impression.

 

[Anewt]

Yes America is different in that sense though of course Trump would like to change that.

Even if that were true, so what? It's a mutually beneficial arrangement and allowing them to legally work through temporary protection status makes it harder to exploit them.

If its done legaly... id have zero qualms. But they always are exploited here. The reason people " hire " them is because they dont pay them livable wages. No super annuation. No word cover no tax. No protections.

A lot of time

Its not mutually benifical. Its exploitation.

Im always happy when the exploiters get caught. Charge the fuckers with the lot. Some are often akin to modern slavery.

I have sympathy for the workers... but absolutely zero for any business hiring them.


On the brightside we recently tweaked our laws to reflect this

New Australian law is a victory for migrant workers — Migrant Justice Institute

Today, the Australian parliament passed an important law implementing reforms for which we have been campaigning for years with our allies. The new law decriminalising undocumented workers; confirms that workplace protections apply to all workers regardless of their migration status; strengthens the

www.migrantjustice.org

Today, the Australian parliament passed an important law decriminalising undocumented workers and confirming that workplace protections apply to all workers regardless of their migration status.

The law, which will commence on 1 July 2024, also strengthens the accountability of employers that exploit migrant workers, and takes the first step towards visa protections for exploited workers who take action against their employers.

Together with our allies, MJI has developed and been campaigning for these reforms for many years.

IMPORTANT NEW PROTECTIONS FOR UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ​

• The new law repeals the criminal offence of working in breach of visa conditions or working after the expiry of a visa.
• The amendments confirm that workplace protections apply to all workers regardless of any breach of the Migration Act. This includes workers’ compensation for injuries, as well as anti-discrimination and sexual harassment protections. (The Fair Work Act was amended last year to ensure that all workers are also covered by that federal employent law, regardless of any breach of migration laws.)

You could just as easily turn it around and say the main reason people are against birthright citizenship had nothing to do with concern for immigrants making the dangerous journey here, it's almost always about xenophobia towards migrants. And when a presidential candidate openly lies on TV to slander immigrants while advocating these policies its hard to shake that impression.

You could. But i know thats what shifted our public perception. Occasionally you get the fucked up stories in the uk / usa about migrants dying in the back of trucks or attempting the crossing capsizing and you see a similar desire to prevent the deaths..

For us

We had boats... with hundreds of people with entire families dying far far to frequently. A solution was needed .

Id hazard anyone who was fine with the amount of deaths we were having was more xenophobic and indifferent to suffering than those who sought to prevent them..

Timeline: Asylum seeker boat tragedies

Asylum policy is in focus in the wake of recent boat tragedies. Here's a look back at the major documented incidents of asylum seeker deaths at sea and related boat incidents since 2001.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[Islam Imamate]

If its done legaly... id have zero qualms. But they always are exploited here. The reason people " hire " them is because they dont pay them livable wages. No super annuation. No word cover no tax. No protections.

A lot of time

Idk about AUS but the reason we have illegal immigration in the US is because our dynamic economy generates demand for labor while the corrupt and less stable economies of Latin America can't efficiently absorb their own labor so they naturally come here for work.

Its not mutually benifical. Its exploitation.

Im always happy when the exploiters get caught. Charge the fuckers with the lot. Some are often akin to modern slavery.

I have sympathy for the workers... but absolutely zero for any business hiring them.

Again idk about AUS but in the US it's usually mutually beneficial. Illegals who work in construction probably get paid noticeably more than citizens who work in low end retail jobs.

On the brightside we recently tweaked our laws to reflect this

New Australian law is a victory for migrant workers — Migrant Justice Institute

Today, the Australian parliament passed an important law implementing reforms for which we have been campaigning for years with our allies. The new law decriminalising undocumented workers; confirms that workplace protections apply to all workers regardless of their migration status; strengthens the

www.migrantjustice.org

Today, the Australian parliament passed an important law decriminalising undocumented workers and confirming that workplace protections apply to all workers regardless of their migration status.

The law, which will commence on 1 July 2024, also strengthens the accountability of employers that exploit migrant workers, and takes the first step towards visa protections for exploited workers who take action against their employers.

Together with our allies, MJI has developed and been campaigning for these reforms for many years.

IMPORTANT NEW PROTECTIONS FOR UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ​

• The new law repeals the criminal offence of working in breach of visa conditions or working after the expiry of a visa.
• The amendments confirm that workplace protections apply to all workers regardless of any breach of the Migration Act. This includes workers’ compensation for injuries, as well as anti-discrimination and sexual harassment protections. (The Fair Work Act was amended last year to ensure that all workers are also covered by that federal employent law, regardless of any breach of migration laws.)

That's good, I'm all about making it easier for illegals to work and extending worker protections to the is great.

You could. But i know thats what shifted our public perception. Occasionally you get the fucked up stories in the uk / usa about migrants dying in the back of trucks or attempting the crossing capsizing and you see a similar desire to prevent the deaths..

For us

We had boats... with hundreds of people with entire families dying far far to frequently. A solution was needed .

Id hazard anyone who was fine with the amount of deaths we were having was more xenophobic and indifferent to suffering than those who sought to prevent them..

Timeline: Asylum seeker boat tragedies

Asylum policy is in focus in the wake of recent boat tragedies. Here's a look back at the major documented incidents of asylum seeker deaths at sea and related boat incidents since 2001.

www.sbs.com.au

I'm skeptical that anti-immigrant types actually care about the immigrants themselves, certainly in the case of MAGA.

I agree that the dangerous journey illegals take is a serious concern but I don't think the solution is to end birthright citizenship, the solution is to streamline the immigration process to make it easier for them to come here though I'm only speaking about the US here.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You are irrelevant to me, now stop quoting me and go shave your vagina or something.

 

[Soggust]

Add Rosie to the list

 

[Jar of Flies]

Add Rosie to the list

She’s a threat to humanity lol.

 

[Libero cane v2]

I've listened to people say for over 3 decades about how socialism and communism are misguided idiotic pursuits of "utopia." That they are nice sounding, but absurdly unrealistic. And currently the loudest proponents of those notions are literally espousing the ideas of Curtid Yarvin, and Christian ethno-nationalists, who honestly believe the US should be a mostly white Kingdom run by corporate CEO's who are Christians, with an impenetrable wall around it to keep out the Latinos, prisons with alligator moats, and deportation of criminals to who cares where.

Orwell himself couldn't write a more laughable State of affairs.

But universal health care is IMPOSSIBLE.