Trump Takes Credit For Obamacare, Says Democrats Want to Repeal It

Both sides doing work for their insurance lobby bosses/friends. UHC is inevitable, so why wait until a complete collapse? Middle class is being seriously hurt by current system, as usual. Too many government workers with good health care who "don't see the problem" with the current system *rolleyes*
There's no system thats not going to fuck over the middle class, Especially UHC.
 
Idk, this motherfucker lies about everything so I should be numb to it by now but this one really bothers me.

They were one vote away from taking insurance away from millions of people and instead chipped away piece by piece.

He’s absolutely shameless.
If he follows the same plan he can keep making the same claim over and over again till he can use it as an attack on Sanders. Sanders has said he would make changes to ACA to bring it to medicare for all. So this could be a long term plan to get it to sink in.
 
No, he didn't, nor should he. Health insurance would be cheaper if people couldn't wait until something goes wrong to sign up. What Trump did do right was get rid of the mandate that takes people's money for not having something. What the hell kind of insurance for anything else can you sign up for after the thing goes wrong, or have to pay to not be covered? That's not insurance, that's a scam.

Biden's tweet is a lie though. 600,000 people were denied coverage for not paying into insurance and then signing up when they needed something, not "millions of people". What is actually "millions of people" is the 8 million who didn't want the shitty overpriced insurance and had to pay for not buying it. The huge majority of people they use to boost their numbers are people who didn't want it in the first place but had to buy it to avoid the penalty, which is a much larger number than the small number who tried to wait until after they needed it to sign up.
 
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No, he didn't, nor should he. Health insurance would be cheaper if people couldn't wait until something goes wrong to sign up. What Trump did do right was get rid of the mandate that takes people's money for not having something. What the hell kind of insurance for anything else can you sign up for after the thing goes wrong, or have to pay to not be covered? That's not insurance, that's a scam.
What insurance company employs you?

Good lord.
 
Wah! This thread is for whining about Trump, stop talking about health care!

Its very cool of you to deflect from your golden god trying to take credit for Obamacare.
 
What insurance company employs you?

Good lord.
How was post in any way supportive of insurance companies? I said the one good thing Trump has done as far as HC goes is not making people buy into it. If people could take out life insurance on someone after they died, obviously that cost would be astronomical as well, same with fire insurance after your house burns down, and I'd rather not pay it, save that money and just pay the doctor directly for a visit and come out way ahead.

My preference is a system where people can just pay the doctor themselves and not go through a 3rd party at all, with maybe very small insurance companies that only cover life-threatening illness.
 
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If he follows the same plan he can keep making the same claim over and over again till he can use it as an attack on Sanders. Sanders has said he would make changes to ACA to bring it to medicare for all. So this could be a long term plan to get it to sink in.
Right, and his moron followers will eat it up.
 
How was post in any way supportive of insurance companies? I said the one good thing Trump has done as far as HC goes is not making people buy into it.

My preference is a system where people can just pay the doctor themselves and not go through a 3rd party at all, with maybe very small insurance companies that only cover life-threatening illness.

No government run healthcare or insurance.....

Good call
 
I’m still blown away they past this shit but made themselves exempt from the very thing they forced on us

hi second sight,

you said it, brother.

they've allowed most of the United States to become a place where you can carry, but they keep hiding in their gun-free zone on Capital Hill.

it vexes the soul, second sight.

- IGIT
 
Great job not addressing the topic of Trump being full of shit with his dumb tweet.
Republicans are total fail on health care. Completely. Sanders will capitalize, the others will not. Maybe Warren. I expect nothing great and (sadly) necessary from any Republican on health care, and Romney care sucked ass as well.. Any posturing Trump attempts on health care, which he may have to, is going to make me eye roll.
 
If the brief synopsis is correct, then it looks like Trump is full of crap regarding pre-existing conditions. Republicans suck ass on health care.
 
Healthcare is probably the biggest domestic issue in 2020.

hi PolishHeadlock2,

i wonder...

do you think it will be?

i get that Pew shows that its the biggest concern for voters - but will that concern manifest itself into votes?

the GOP, as far as i'm aware, had no plan for healthcare reform in 2016 - and the Trump campaign never presented a plan of any sort. the only commitment was to repeal the hated, job-killing Obamacare. candidate Clinton would have expanded on the Affordable Care Act - improving access.

were the GOP punished for it?

Clinton lost. the GOP held the House. the GOP held the Senate.

fast forward from the election, and the GOP find they can't repeal the ACA, because even after repealing its ten zillion times in the House (when their votes didn't matter), they still didn't have any idea of what to replace it with. their effort, predictably, collapses in the Senate.

the President's administration has still not presented its plan for healthcare reform. in the two years the GOP controlled the House whilst Mr. Trump was in office - no reform was offered (Paul Ryan, at this point, conclusively proved he's an empty suit).

so...the GOP and the POTUS have nothing to say about healthcare reform any longer. its like, not really an issue - not to them, anyway. are you sure the voters will punish them for it?

to the degree it becomes an issue, it might very well blow up in the Democrat's face. i can picture it now...."death panels" "government run healthcare" "long waiting lines...you'll wait forever and die!" "job killing taxes" and most certainly, "you'll be paying for free healthcare to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ALIEN INVADERS". the Democrats got crucified for this in 2010, and it could happen again next year.

*muses*

when swing voters in Pennsylvania went for Trump, it wasn't because of any particular issue. it was because he was feisty and would "shake things up", and he'd stand up for the common workin' guy.

goofy intangible garbage is what voters liked. that's what an election against this particular POTUS results in. as you saw in the 2016 primary and the general election that followed, the only issues that get any traction were his issues.

i am not certain the whole, "when they go low, we go high" approach works with the American electorate, either.

- IGIT
 
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/trump-preexisting-conditions-lie-health-care-obamacare.html

Since he began running for president, Donald Trump has been lying about health care in general, and protections for patients with preexisting conditions in particular. Trump’s long-standing lie is that he has a plan to help people with preexisting conditions afford insurance, or will shortly unveil such a plan. His most recent version of this lie goes even farther. Trump is now saying that he actually created the protection for preexisting conditions, and that Democrats are trying to take it away:

This is the literal polar opposite of reality.

Before Obamacare, the individual health-care market was dominated by a practice called medical underwriting, in which insurers would sell plans to people based on their expected cost. A person with a healthy history could buy a pretty cheap plan, but somebody with a history of expensive medical needs would have to pay a lot more — sometimes, insurers would refuse to cover any treatment for preexisting conditions. One of the main accomplishments in Obamacare was to regulate the individual market, so that insurers could no longer charge different rates to customers based on their medical status.

The 2017 Republican plan severely weakened those regulatory protections by allowing states to permit insurers to charge lower rates to healthy customers and higher rates to sicker ones. That is the plan Trump celebrated when it passed the House, and has continued to lament when it died in the Senate (after John McCain’s famous thumbs-down). Having failed in Congress, Trump has instead turned to the courts. His lawyers are currently supporting a lawsuit to overturn Obamacare, including its protections against discrimination on preexisting conditions.

So, Democrats created protections for people with preexisting conditions, and Trump’s ongoing legislative and legal strategy is to eliminate those protections. Yet he claims just the opposite — that he created the protections, and Democrats are trying to undo them.

The question of why Trump would be willing to lie about this is obviously uninteresting. (He is a gigantic liar.) The more interesting question is why he has to lie about this. Trump obviously recognizes that protections for preexisting conditions are popular, and the attacks on his position are potent. So why is he forced to lie so blatantly, instead of simply abandoning his highly unpopular stance?

The answer is that the logic of Republican health-care policy demands it. The party declared Obamacare to be a socialist monstrosity bound to collapse. The first piece of evidence Republicans could find for their conclusion was when insurance regulations began to take effect at the end of 2013 — that’s when insurers had to cancel plans based on medical underwriting and begin selling new policies that ignored preexisting conditions. One result of these regulations is that the handful of people who had passed medical underwriting and had purchased cheap plans based on their good health had to purchase insurance that was more expensive, because they were now sharing costs with sick people.

Conservatives seized on this development. It was “rate shock” for the young and healthy, and proof that Obama had lied when he promised people could keep their plans. Undoing these regulations became the core Republican health-care promise. They would reverse “rate shock” by giving people the choice to buy skimpy plans that didn’t cover preexisting conditions. Their favorite example of Obamacare regulation run amok was the requirement to cover maternity care; their whole rationale was that people should only have to buy insurance that covered medical treatments they expected to pay for. The sales pitch was that young, healthy people without preexisting conditions would be able to go back to buying skimpy insurance. But of course, this also meant people with preexisting conditions would have to pay a lot more.

The once-fanatical passion Republicans attached to their hatred for Obamacare has subsided, but the party has never revisited its eliminationist dogma. The party’s formal legislative and legal stance remains wedded to overturning protections for people with preexisting conditions. Republicans still want to let insurers charge astronomical rates to people with preexisting conditions, however unpopular that stance would be, because to them anything is better than admitting Obama was right.


I hate trump as much as the next guy but he says in that tweet that he wants to repeal the individual mandate. Unless you are pretending that pre-existing conditions= Obamacare and individual mandate isnt obamacare, this is very misleading thread title, and dishonest

Please dont get pulled into the kind of dishonesty the right practices
 
hi PolishHeadlock2,

i wonder...

do you think it will be?

i get that Pew shows that its the biggest concern for voters - but will that concern manifest itself into votes?

the GOP, as far as i'm aware, had no plan for healthcare reform in 2016 - and the Trump campaign never presented a plan of any sort. the only commitment was to repeal the hated, job-killing Obamacare. candidate Clinton would have expanded on the Affordable Care Act - improving access.

but Clinton lost. the GOP held the House. the GOP held the Senate.

fast forward from the election, and the GOP find they can't repeal the ACA, because even after repealing its ten zillion times in the House (when their votes didn't matter), they still didn't have any idea of what to replace it with. their effort, predictably, collapses in the Senate.

the President's administration has still not presented its plan for healthcare reform. in the two years the GOP controlled the House whilst Mr. Trump was in office - no reform was offered (Paul Ryan, at this point, conclusively proved he's an empty suit).

so...the GOP and the POTUS have nothing to say about healthcare reform any longer. its like, not really an issue - not to them, anyway. are you sure the voters will punish them for it?

to the degree it becomes an issue, it might very well blow up in the Democrat's face. i can picture it now...."death panels" "government run healthcare" "long waiting lines...you'll wait forever and die!" "job killing taxes" and most certainly, "you'll be paying for free healthcare to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ALIEN INVADERS". the Democrats got crucified for this in 2010, and it could happen again next year.

*muses*

when swing voters in Pennsylvania went for Trump, it wasn't because of any particular issue. it was because he was feisty and would "shake things up", and he'd stand up for the common workin' guy.

goofy intangible garbage is what voters liked. that's what an election against this particular POTUS results in. as you saw in the 2016 primary and the general election that followed, the only issues that get any traction were his issues.

i am not certain the whole, "when they go low, we go high" approach works with the American electorate, either.

- IGIT

In 2016 Trump was all over the place at one point claiming he supported UHC.

There was room for cognitive dissonance

Now Trump is a known commodity.

I think that was one of the big reasons for the hlue wave in 2018.

Kasich embraced Obamacare in Ohio and has championed the Medicaid expansion

I think Healthcare in general is a winner for Democrats.
 
Doesn't he lie about almost everything? The question is does he's supporters care? I think not, he could shit in their mouth and tell them its chocolate and they would thank him...
Oh except targeting Iran culture sites , saying he wants “favors” from Ukraine those he told the truth ... but everything else big lies.
 
I hate trump as much as the next guy but he says in that tweet that he wants to repeal the individual mandate. Unless you are pretending that pre-existing conditions= Obamacare and individual mandate isnt obamacare, this is very misleading thread title, and dishonest

Please dont get pulled into the kind of dishonesty the right practices

Did you read the article?
 
Republicans are total fail on health care. Completely.

ahoy Amerikuracana,

here's the GOP's approach to healthcare;

1) vote to repeal Obamacare over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over in the House, and succeed with the certainty that nothing will come of it because there was zero chance President Obama would go along with it.

2) allow the Democrats to create safety nets and take credit for the things folks like about those safety nets - and then blame the Democrats for inevitable spending that such programs come coupled with. also make sure to lower taxes to decrease government revenue.

3) create an unfunded government mandate - take credit for the things folks like about the program and then blame the Democrats for the huge, immense, crater-like hole that something like Medicare Part D creates in the budget.

it seems a little haphazard, not particularly benevolent, and not very fiscally conservative.

but eh, GOP voters like their policies.

its very strange.

- IGIT
 
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