Trump Says Obama is the "Founder of ISIS"

[Skarr]

Im not going to defend Trump hes a clown for sure, Ive said before...neither of these people are worth a single vote

but is he wrong? the guy that "started up" what is known as ISIS was a member of al qaeda, was training in afghanistan during the 80's by the americans, when the name al qaeda could no longer be used effectively they switched gears and thus was born ISIS((during Obama's presidency))

now....I dont think Obama personally signed off on this at all...he is just a puppet for one part of the puppet show, but there are people in the CIA that did sign off on this, they did it just previously to or just after Obama's presidency began, their policies and blunders either purposely or not paved the way for this ISIS to spring up in the wake of Al Qaeda

what kills me is all these people that eat up this ISIS crap....not one of them stop and wonder what happened to al qaeda....why arent they mentioned anymore?

its the same group of people at the head, the same group of people that were in Al Qaeda, the same group of people that were trained by the CIA in afghanistan, but so many people are just like...ohhhh ISIS!!!! shift gears...fuck al qaeda...lol we kicked their ass, now its ISIS, hey ISIS, ISIS ISIS ISIS.....people eat that right up...

IMO Trump would not have done any better because IMO he is every bit as part of the establishment as Obama or Hilary((well....almost lol)) you cant be doing what your bosses dont want you to do or....YOURE FIRED!

 

[Fawlty]

Did we get to the part yet where Islamic State in Iraq (and their stated goal) predates the Obama presidency? I hope we get there, that's a good place, tremendous laughs.

 

[lfd0311]

Im not going to defend Trump hes a clown for sure, Ive said before...neither of these people are worth a single vote

but is he wrong? the guy that "started up" what is known as ISIS was a member of al qaeda, was training in afghanistan during the 80's by the americans, when the name al qaeda could no longer be used effectively they switched gears and thus was born ISIS((during Obama's presidency))

now....I dont think Obama personally signed off on this at all...he is just a puppet for one part of the puppet show, but there are people in the CIA that did sign off on this, they did it just previously to or just after Obama's presidency began, their policies and blunders either purposely or not paved the way for this ISIS to spring up in the wake of Al Qaeda

what kills me is all these people that eat up this ISIS crap....not one of them stop and wonder what happened to al qaeda....why arent they mentioned anymore?

its the same group of people at the head, the same group of people that were in Al Qaeda, the same group of people that were trained by the CIA in afghanistan, but so many people are just like...ohhhh ISIS!!!! shift gears...fuck al qaeda...lol we kicked their ass, now its ISIS, hey ISIS, ISIS ISIS ISIS.....people eat that right up...

IMO Trump would not have done any better because IMO he is every bit as part of the establishment as Obama or Hilary((well....almost lol)) you cant be doing what your bosses dont want you to do or....YOURE FIRED!

Lol, when were we training Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?

 

[Fawlty]

Here you go. Interview with Hugh Hewitt today.

Full transcript here: http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/

HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.

DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.

HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.

DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?

HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the pneumonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?

DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.

HH: I did. I did. I played it.

DT: I gave her the co-founder.

HH: I know what you’re arguing…

DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?

HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.

DT: Well, I disagree.

HH: All right, that’s okay.

DT: I mean, with his bad policies, that’s why ISIS came about.

HH: That’s…

DT: If he would have done things properly, you wouldn’t have had ISIS.

HH: That’s true.

 

[Last Samurai]

it's actually not a bad tactic


he says something outrageous to get people to talk about the things he wants to talk about. in this case that the rise of Isis happened on Obama's watch

 

[Bloodworth]

Julian Assange says “1,700 emails in Hillary Clinton’s collection” proves she sold weapons to ISIS in Syria

http://theduran.com/julian-assange-...ns-collection-proves-sold-weapons-isis-syria/

So, those Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how Hillary Clinton performs in office,but, more broadly, how the U.S. Department of State operates. So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention in Libya, the destruction of the Gaddafi government, which led to the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that’s there in those emails. There’s more than 1,700 emails in Hillary Clinton’s collection, that we have released, just about Libya alone.

http://theduran.com/julian-assange-...ns-collection-proves-sold-weapons-isis-syria/

When Clinton provided weapons to rebels to lynch gadaffi. Those same rebels after being power hungry after taking out gadaffi. Celebrated on 911 by attacking the u.s. embassy.

Clinton and Obama created a lawless war zone in Libya and failed to offer proper secure after.
That kind of neglect got americans killed. Not to mention its probably a war crime what was done to gadaffi

 

[Cygnus A]

During ww2, people said not all Germans are nazis. When you go to war you destroy and humiliate the enemy.
The world did not hear isis and it power until Obama

They would have heard it even if another Republican was elected in 2008.

 

[Hans Gruber]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ed-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad

"A declassified secret US government document obtained by the public interest law firm, Judicial Watch, shows that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad.


According to investigative reporter Nafeez Ahmed in Medium, the "leaked document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, despite anticipating that doing so could lead to the emergence of an ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)."



According to the newly declassified US document, the Pentagon foresaw the likely rise of the ‘Islamic State’ as a direct consequence of the strategy, but described this outcome as a strategic opportunity to “isolate the Syrian regime.”

 

[lfd0311]

I don't even know where to start with this. Maybe point by point would be good, but you probably wouldn't even read it.

Reagan willingly armed the Jihadists in the 80s. I don't see your Fox News bringing that point up ever.

ISIS began under Bush. Sorry to burst your bubble. You point out Obama's exit strategy, but what about Bush's entrance strategy? The mess in the middle east exists precisely because we went into Iraq and had no business being there. We toppled a dictator who at least kept the religious nuts in check. We couldn't occupy Iraq forever. We were there for over 10 years and nothing improved. ISIS was PREDICTED decades ago even by your own Republican leaders, which is why we didn't topple Hussein in the first war. It was determined better to leave him in power than clean up the shitstorm that would happen if he was removed.

I fail to see your point by your terror list under Obama. Under Bush: 9/11 .

How is Trump going to stop this? We threw everything we had at the middle east war and it isn't any better. We could have used those trillions of dollars to improve America, but we for some reason the Republicans are against that. That would be too close to socialism!

There is tons of just flat out incorrect statements in this post:

ISIS was founded when Bill Clinton was the President. It's been around since 1999.

Regan willingly armed the Northern Alliance. You now know them as the Afghan Government.

It's my personal belief that we invaded Iraq to keep swarms of jihadists from flooding Afghanistan. We were going to have to fight them one way or another. We'd seen what happened to the Soviets in those same mountains and wanted no part of it. We wanted to get the various scattered jihadi groups throughout the Middle East onto a centralized location where our modernized military had all of the advantages. Iraq gave us that opportunity and we took it, with the fringe benefit of killing a man who'd thumbed his nose at us for almost 2 decades.


Withdrawing from Iraq is what destabilized the region. The Iraqi army was capable of handling missions with our support, and if we'd have stayed would have more than been adequate enough to stabilize the country on its own by now. Instead we ran so the president could grandstand in a reelection year.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Did we get to the part yet where Islamic State in Iraq (and their stated goal) predates the Obama presidency? I hope we get there, that's a good place, tremendous laughs.

Shhhhh.
You're fucking up the narrative.

 

[Bloodworth]

They would have heard it even if another Republican was elected in 2008.

Not of their goal was to pull troops asap, no strategy. Obama is praised for this over there. He got the infadels out of their country

 

[MASShole]

Withdrawing from Iraq is what destabilized the region. The Iraqi army was capable of handling missions with our support, and if we'd have stayed would have more than been adequate enough to stabilize the country on its own by now. Instead we ran so the president could grandstand in a reelection year.

Or, we withdrew because it was previously agreed by the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government, and when approached about it the Iraqi government didn't want to extend the stay of the US troops.

 

[My Spot]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ed-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad

"A declassified secret US government document obtained by the public interest law firm, Judicial Watch, shows that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad.

According to investigative reporter Nafeez Ahmed in Medium, the "leaked document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, despite anticipating that doing so could lead to the emergence of an ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)."

According to the newly declassified US document, the Pentagon foresaw the likely rise of the ‘Islamic State’ as a direct consequence of the strategy, but described this outcome as a strategic opportunity to “isolate the Syrian regime.”

But Bush! And Reagan! And the Crusades!

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Donald Trump Calls Obama ‘Founder of ISIS’ and Says It Honors Him

More identity politics? Why not? Why the fuck not?!! Never anything else with this jackass.

Like any good Las Vegas act, though, there's more to entertain:


I'm not sure what commentary to attach to this. It speaks for itself. The man has turned my eyes into washing machines. I suppose I'll be personally blamed for pointing out he said this.

Obama didn't found ISIS, but he did fund them and train them in Syria to fight against Assad. That's documented fact. The US saw them as a "Moderate Rebel Group" and thought they could help facilitate an overthrow. Now they are what they are partly thanks to Obama.

US funded and trained Al Qaeda in the 1980's too, in order for them to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. US also funded and supported Saddam Hussein and Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war. That helps shine a light on the precedent of funding and training people that soon after become our enemy.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Or, we withdrew because it was previously agreed by the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government, and when approached about it the Iraqi government didn't want to extend the stay of the US troops.

Well, hell, good to see others recall this as well, not to mention the strong national interest in getting the f.o. of Iraq.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

I would love to hear Trump elaborate on how Obama is the founder of ISIS

Obama didn't found ISIS, but he did fund them and train them in Syria to help fight against Assad. Now they are what they are.

 

[lfd0311]

Or, we withdrew because it was previously agreed by the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government, and when approached about it the Iraqi government didn't want to extend the stay of the US troops.

That's the most simplistic spin you can put on it. Obama could have extended troop timetables at will as he and Bush had done countless times previously. He was trying to play Western politics and use the threat of troop withdrawal to force "inclusion" on the Iraqi Government. They weren't having it, and now we have ISIS.

 

[44nutman]

But Bush! And Reagan! And the Crusades!

Acutally Regan is President zero, for most of these terrorist groups. He got in bed with them in Afghanastan in their war with the Soviet Union. I don't blame him, since at that time period, that is how the proxy war was played. Any other president at that time would have made the same play. That was back when Bin Laden was an ally.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

That's the most simplistic spin you can put on it. Obama could have extended troop timetables at will as he and Bush had done countless times previously. He was trying to play Western politics and use the threat of troop withdrawal to force "inclusion" on the Iraqi Government. They weren't having it, and now we have ISIS.

I recall strong pressure from the Iraqi government at the time. They wanted us to leave, and so did the American public; we were pretty tired of throwing money down that shitty sand hole.

 

[My Spot]

Acutally Regan is President zero, for most of these terrorist groups. He got in bed with them in Afghanastan in their war with the Soviet Union. I don't blame him, since at that time period, that is how the proxy war was played. Any other president at that time would have made the same play. That was back when Bin Laden was an ally.

I was just getting that in before certain posters replied with their typical "Bush or Reagan did it first so that makes it okay!" deflection.