Trump mad his political supporters aren't protected

It would be quite hilarious. They forget who holds all the bullets too
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It's really fascinating to watch the lengths the die hard Trump supporters will go to defend this.
 
Do you actively believe this statement in the face of the GOP continually trying to sell their top heavy economic policy ad beneficial to their working class constituents? Or with their empty promises to return manufacturing or coal mining jobs to communities that are clearly hanging on to the last to their continued detriment?

As I said in the rest of my post:

But the GOP has been getting worse. Obstructionism taken to new heights. Hypocrisy as well. And now they've added in blatant race/religion baiting. Lastly, ratcheting up racial divisiveness to overpromise benefits to low class whites that they cannot deliver.

Prior to that, the GOP didn't promise benefits to low class whites. They advocated economic benefits to the rich and then stated that the rich would deliver economic benefits to the poor via the choices of the rich. If that didn't happen, it was because the rich broke their end of the deal, not the GOP. It's a subtle difference.

And as a political balance it makes sense. The working class had 2 different approaches - immediate benefits via the Dems or deferred benefits via the GOP. The rich had 2 approaches - help the rest via taxes or help the rest via private decision making.
 
As I said in the rest of my post:



Prior to that, the GOP didn't promise benefits to low class whites. They advocated economic benefits to the rich and then stated that the rich would deliver economic benefits to the poor via the choices of the rich. If that didn't happen, it was because the rich broke their end of the deal, not the GOP. It's a subtle difference.

And as a political balance it makes sense. The working class had 2 different approaches - immediate benefits via the Dems or deferred benefits via the GOP. The rich had 2 approaches - help the rest via taxes or help the rest via private decision making.

But you're still dancing around the fact that they've known trickle down economics doesn't work. Theorywise they knew it was a dubious premise when they first started parroting it, and then in the Reagan years they had palpable example of it not working. Yet they kept selling those policies as economically beneficial to the populous at large. They've for decades, and with increasing frequency, oversold economic benefit to their lower class base with no possible policy position that could deliver on what they've sold. They have absolutely not been genuine with their economic policy since the 1980s. And it's substantially worsened in the past decade and most recent political cycle as you've noted.
 
It's really fascinating to watch the lengths the die hard Trump supporters will go to defend this.

Trump could rape a baby on live TV and his cucks would say the kid deserved it. They would probably give him a high five
 
i want to see this bunch of Cucks,trans and feminists start a civil war.... will be fuckin GREAT
I think we're all safe for now, America is still in the fat, stupid, and lazy phase. I mean, just look at the President.
 
I think we're all safe for now, America is still in the fat, stupid, and lazy phase. I mean, just look at the President.

Carefull he is a badass militia man who wants to shoot trannies.

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But you're still dancing around the fact that they've known trickle down economics doesn't work. Theorywise they knew it was a dubious premise when they first started parroting it, and then in the Reagan years they had palpable example of it not working. Yet they kept selling those policies as economically beneficial to the populous at large. They've for decades, and with increasing frequency, oversold economic benefit to their lower class base with no possible policy position that could deliver on what they've sold. They have absolutely not been genuine with their economic policy since the 1980s. And it's substantially worsened in the past decade and most recent political cycle as you've noted.

I'm not dancing around it. Trickle down economics works just fine if the rich choose to apply their tax savings to the little guy instead of to themselves.

There's a difference between something not working because it's theoretically flawed and that same something not working because the participants make sub-optimal alternative choices. Trickle down economics has worked on the global level. The rich have increased the earnings and standard of living of plenty of developing nations by putting the means of production in those places. They are undercutting the American worker but enriching the global one.

To simplify this: Trickle down economics says that if you give Panamaican a dollar, it will benefit the little guy (ScottE)...so long as Pan spends some of that dollar on things the little guy needs. That works just fine as long as I buy in. But I could spend that dollar on things that a different little guy (ScottQ) needs instead. That doesn't mean trickle down economics doesn't work. It worked for ScottQ. I, Panamaican, have received exactly the benefit that I was promised. And the little guy received the benefit. The failure is that you, ScottE, believed that you were the little guy who was going to reap the benefit when it was really ScottQ.

You think countries like China, India, Brazil, etc. got better because of their internal economic policies? Nope. They got better because the tax savings of the U.S. rich were invested in capital projects that benefited those economies and allowed the U.S. rich to keep a larger share.

The GOP didn't outright lie to working class whites. Working class whites never considered the possibility that they weren't the short term beneficiaries of these programs. Now, the GOP is outright lying. It is a significant but subtle difference.
 
I'm not dancing around it. Trickle down economics works just fine if the rich choose to apply their tax savings to the little guy instead of to themselves.

There's a difference between something not working because it's theoretically flawed and that same something not working because the participants make sub-optimal alternative choices. Trickle down economics has worked on the global level. The rich have increased the earnings and standard of living of plenty of developing nations by putting the means of production in those places. They are undercutting the American worker but enriching the global one.

To simplify this: Trickle down economics says that if you give Panamaican a dollar, it will benefit the little guy (ScottE)...so long as Pan spends some of that dollar on things the little guy needs. That works just fine as long as I buy in. But I could spend that dollar on things that a different little guy (ScottQ) needs instead. That doesn't mean trickle down economics doesn't work. It worked for ScottQ. I, Panamaican, have received exactly the benefit that I was promised. And the little guy received the benefit. The failure is that you, ScottE, believed that you were the little guy who was going to reap the benefit when it was really ScottQ.

You think countries like China, India, Brazil, etc. got better because of their internal economic policies? Nope. They got better because the tax savings of the U.S. rich were invested in capital projects that benefited those economies and allowed the U.S. rich to keep a larger share.

The GOP didn't outright lie to working class whites. Working class whites never considered the possibility that they weren't the short term beneficiaries of these programs. Now, the GOP is outright lying. It is a significant but subtle difference.
I feel like you're skirting the obvious. Trickle down doesn't work as a policy just because some rich guy spent money somewhere once or twice. A policy will never work if you expect rich people to trickle the money down on their own accord. SOME times that can work in very limited scenarios like Scottq you spoke of but it is not sustainable. Policy needs to be consistent and sustainable or it will be to inefficient to function. With the loopholes in the tax code along with the snakeoil that is called trickle down has been debunked clearly over and over yet somehow people act as it hasn't. Still astonishing to me.
 
So you don't think it was a misrepresentation for the GOP to continue to tout and implement similar Reagan era economic policy as benefiting to their lower class base after years of evidence of what you're saying working class whites never considered was occuring, that they weren't benefiting from top heavy economic policy?

They've gone out of their way for decades to stymie any attempt to dissuade their voter base of the false notions they duped themselves into believing. Particularly in the area of sound the alarm and bleeting that any policy to scale back their own policy was courting economic disaster. I mean it's not as if the GOP has been playing the identity politics game with economic policy just recently. It's been a solid 20 years of labeling anything to scale back to top heavy lean to our tax and economic policies as "socialist" or "un-American".
 
I'd say their close. Obama was just more charismatic.

Except for the fact that Obama went out of his way to work across the aisle. Didn't engage in daily inflammatory communication on social media. But no it was just charisma.

I don't think you quite know what charismatic means if you think that's a quality Trump is somehow lacking it. It might be the only "positive" thing he has in abundance.
 
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