Trump lays out his immigration in detail.

[7437]

What are you talking about bro? For the low low price of $25 you can get this sweet Donald J Trump cap and it's made in Merica.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/YA6EP0W.jpg[img]

Edit: damn posting a pic from a cell is a pain.

 

[Thames]

That's hilarious. They pick what some might think is a somewhat arbitrary date, but is actually purposely designed to make Trump look bad.

1987 was the year of the stock market crash and a down market, but during that same period New York City real estate was still flying high. See Figure #1 for NYC real estate.

New York City real estate proceeded to fall in the early- and mid-nineties, while the S&P 500 went up by more than twelve percent a year.

Notice, however, how the exercise wasn't designed to go back earlier in Trump's career, when NYC real estate was flat or falling and Trump was making serious coin.

This is quite amazing. Do you work PR for Trump?
Try to do the math yourself then: http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm

I have no idea why you say that they have purposely designed the numbers. They simply took the S&P 500 Index from 1982 to 2014. From 1982 through the end of 2014, the S&P 500 index had an annualized return, including reinvested dividends, of 11.86 percent. A dollar invested in 1982 would be worth 40$ today.

That is the math. Pretty simple.

Yes, reality is a bit more complicated. But it does a good job of portraying that Trump is not the businessman he wants you to believe.
This guy would have amounted to jack-shit without daddy's money, influence and network.

Trump has even admitted himself that he has benefitted a lot from the very generious bankruptcy laws in the U.S. -> 4x bankruptcy + banlisted from several large banks (e.g. Deutsche Bank) should help illustrate that.
http://www.newsweek.com/kurtz-trump-backlash-66503

“I do play with the bankruptcy laws—they’re very good for me” as a way of cutting debt, Trump says.

And when you read about some of Trumps business adventures, it blows your mind that this guy is even allowed near a business. You don't need to write a "hit piece" to discredit Trump.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068223,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/16/business/media/16trump.html?_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/business/05norris.html?_r=1&scp=8&sq=donald trump&st=cse"

And of course, the guy's moral compass is admirable as well: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fence-2011-6?IR=T

Oh yeah, and his economic understanding is also truly great. I mean, what economist wouldn't support Trump's idea of a 25% tarrif on chinese goods?
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/19/news/la-pn-trump-obama-20110419

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

There are quite literally tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people who were in a similar situation as Donald Trump in the early seventies. They were born to very wealthy parents and had a leg up in the business.

I guarantee that you haven't heard of 99 percent of those people.

Even within Trump's own family, he had four siblings (two brothers, two sisters), all of whom could have invested passively in the market with whatever their father gave them. Have you per chance heard of any of them? Have you seen their name on the Forbes 400?

Just because some fucking retard is asked to write a hit piece on Donald Trump doesn't mean you have to buy into it.

Hence why I disregarded the notion that kids born to wealthy parents were inherently brilliant. I would even make the argument that it's usually quite the opposite.

I don't blame you. I'd go back to trolling retards if I were you.

Trolling or not, it seems that my target audience stays the same.

You need to widen your social circle. Obama's current job approval rating in the RCP poll of polls is below 45 percent.

If you have yet to hear a credible person talk about Obama's presidency being anything other than good, and yet this president has more than 50 percent of the public disapproving of his job performance, I'd say you need to get out and talk to more people.

I said credible persons. Not the public. We all know he is hated by default by a lot of people in the south. That's not evidence of anything related to his performance.
Just look at this forum. People have no clue why they hate Obama (or won't admit). I have yet to see someone lay out with objective evidence why he has been/is bad.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixg...ing-presidential-greatness-vaughn-rottinghaus

Before you cry out that racism doesn't have an impact:
https://pprg.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012-Voting-and-Racism.pdf

Do you mean the fact that it took Obama six years to get the employment level back to where it was in 2008 and that we still have a lower percentage of Americans in the work force than we did when Obama took office? That kind of objectivity? Or that his signature issue, Obamacare, is still disapproved of by more than half of all Americans?

Lol. Are you serious?
Fuck, I really feel like I have been wasting my time now... Go google or something..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_policy_responses_to_the_Great_Recession

Because there was no other reason to vote for him over Hillary in 2008 than the way he looked and sounded.

Wauw..
You just said that if Hillary got elected it would only be because of her vagina. So the conclusion from you is that people either vote for skin color or genitals.

Perhaps you should stop discussing grown-up subjects?

 

[trojansc82]

I love the goofball poster above me.

Has a picture of a Japanese woman as his avatar, yet thinks Trump's immigration plan is "mean".

Hey buddy, you do realize that Japan has one of the strictest immigration policies in the world?

It's really strange that you would advocate for open borders and have such a fetish for Japanese culture.

Let's do a comparison between the current PM of Japan, Shinzo Abe, and Trump:

Trump: " I want to get all of the illegals out, and then expedite the entry of the good ones"
Shinzo Abe: "We would like for foreigners to come to Japan, work for a few years, and then leave. We are not an immigrant country."

That tells you that Trump wants to BRING BACK illegals, while Shinzo Abe wants all LEGAL foreign workers to leave.

It's funny how I never hear you criticize Japan, just the US. Typical of left-wing European garbage.

 

[KILL KILL]

What a bunch of hypocrites. Holding trump to a much higher standard than anyone else in the race. Does everyone not know that at this stage of the game nobody gets too specific with their plan for anything? Please you cant get Hilary to even speak without cherry picking who gets to ask her questions. She is probably the most evasive politician ever. But lets attack Trump for not explaining every detail of his plan. He has already said more than most if not all candidates about what he wants to do. Hes not stupid. Hes holding his cards close to his chest on purpose, thats why he isnt going into great detail, not because he doesnt have a plan. What a bunch of fools to criticize him. Has anyone else detailed their immigration plan ? No. This guy is getting more flack from BOTH sides of the aisle and still going strong.

None of the other politicians have suggested absurd, unrealistic policies like tracking down and departing 11 million people or somehow convincing Mexico to build the great wall of China on our border.

 

[5H3RD0G]

He is going to kick them all out for sure. I think we need a tough immigration policy, the current one is a revolving door with secret doors. :icon_chee

 

[EGarrett]

He is a celebrity that was an important figure in a popular tv show. So however inept he is, he will be popular.
Sad, really.

The political system literally punishes candidates for being intelligible. People not knowing what's going on is not their fault.

 

[Thames]

I love the goofball poster above me.

Has a picture of a Japanese woman as his avatar, yet thinks Trump's immigration plan is "mean".

Hey buddy, you do realize that Japan has one of the strictest immigration policies in the world?

It's really strange that you would advocate for open borders and have such a fetish for Japanese culture.

Let's do a comparison between the current PM of Japan, Shinzo Abe, and Trump:

Trump: " I want to get all of the illegals out, and then expedite the entry of the good ones"
Shinzo Abe: "We would like for foreigners to come to Japan, work for a few years, and then leave. We are not an immigrant country."

That tells you that Trump wants to BRING BACK illegals, while Shinzo Abe wants all LEGAL foreign workers to leave.

It's funny how I never hear you criticize Japan, just the US. Typical of left-wing European garbage.

Poor troll attempt. Would have been better (and made sense) if I at some point had actually talked about immigration or Japan.

Also, I don't know if it was part of your shtick, but the woman in my avatar is actually chinese.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Reading that exchange, and then realizing that Trump leads in the polls, is as good an indictment as any of the collective American IQ.

The fact they bother showing up to vote at all does that well enough.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Poor troll attempt. Would have been better (and made sense) if I at some point had actually talked about immigration or Japan.

Also, I don't know if it was part of your shtick, but the woman in my avatar is actually chinese.

That last bit really sealed it up nicely.
I lol'd.

 

[Cold Front]

This is quite amazing. Do you work PR for Trump?
Try to do the math yourself then: http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm

I have no idea why you say that they have purposely designed the numbers. They simply took the S&P 500 Index from 1982 to 2014. From 1982 through the end of 2014, the S&P 500 index had an annualized return, including reinvested dividends, of 11.86 percent. A dollar invested in 1982 would be worth 40$ today.

It's not a question of math. It's a question of the start date. And they didn't pick 1982; they picked the year 1987. Did you even read the article you linked?

That is the math. Pretty simple.

It's no wonder you struggle. You can't even properly identify what kind of problem this is.

If I want to make some wealthy investor/businessman look good (or some other one look bad), I can just select certain start and stop dates.

For example, Jim Rogers is a commodities guys. Commodities did very well in the nineteen-seventies when stocks were doing poorly. So if I want to make a favorable comparison between Rogers and Warren Buffett, I just use the nineteen-seventies as my frame of reference, when Rogers would have seen his portfolio go up by more than Warren Buffett saw his portfolio go up.

Then I can just excuse the fact that Buffett's business continued to boom in the nineteen-eighties, while Rogers' net worth stagnated, by saying that Rogers got out of the business.

You have to understand that all markets have their own peaks and troughs, and they don't happen at the same time. Why in God;'s name would they pick 1987 unless they were trying to make Trump look bad.

Yes, reality is a bit more complicated. But it does a good job of portraying that Trump is not the businessman he wants you to believe.

No I understand it very well. Do you understand that 95%+ of investors don't earn as much as an index fund?

This guy would have amounted to jack-shit without daddy's money, influence and network.

And if those were his only gifts, you wouldn't know who he was today. Many, many Americans have wealthy parents and almost none of them build on that wealth in the way Trump did. The only reason you know who Fred Trump is today is because of his son.

Trump has even admitted himself that he has benefitted a lot from the very generious bankruptcy laws in the U.S. -> 4x bankruptcy + banlisted from several large banks (e.g. Deutsche Bank) should help illustrate that.
http://www.newsweek.com/kurtz-trump-backlash-66503

Yeah, he's a cowboy. But what he's describing isn't uncommon in the U.S. You make a lot of deals, and you shoot a few blanks.

And when you read about some of Trumps business adventures, it blows your mind that this guy is even allowed near a business. You don't need to write a "hit piece" to discredit Trump.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068223,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/16/business/media/16trump.html?_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/business/05norris.html?_r=1&scp=8&sq=donald trump&st=cse"

You clearly don't understand business.

Hey, I'm not sure why anyone allows Warren Buffett anywhere near a business.

And of course, the guy's moral compass is admirable as well: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fence-2011-6?IR=T

Oh yeah, and his economic understanding is also truly great. I mean, what economist wouldn't support Trump's idea of a 25% tarrif on chinese goods?
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/19/news/la-pn-trump-obama-20110419

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Trump's a clown, but he's a more enjoyable clown than, say, you are.

Hence why I disregarded the notion that kids born to wealthy parents were inherently brilliant. I would even make the argument that it's usually quite the opposite.

Hey, when you go wrong, you don't go wrong in just one spot, do you? The kids of the wealthy are well above average in intelligence. Trump's siblings include a judge and an executive at a bank.

Trolling or not, it seems that my target audience stays the same.

You should be happy to have any audience at all.

I said credible persons. Not the public. We all know he is hated by default by a lot of people in the south. That's not evidence of anything related to his performance.

The south does not come close to making up a majority of the country, and Obama has significant pockets of approval in the south because of the higher than average African American populations down there.

But it's hilarious how you believe that Obama could've won more than fifty percent of the national vote twice, and yet still think his above fifty percent job disapproval rating precludes any credible people in a majority.

I appreciate you telling me about the Great Recession but that ended sometime ago and the U.S. employment levels are still below trend.

 

[Thames]

It's not a question.............

Waste of time trying to discuss this with you. You're not even entertaining, though I did lol when you tried to compare Buffet's mistakes to Trump's. In what fucking universe does those examples compare?
You obviously can't even be bothered to read up on the subject you're supposed to be discussing. You can't comprehend my arguments, and you leave out the bits of my post that you can't handle with your "snappy" remarks.

I've have laid out my arguments. Other posters should be able to see what's what here.

 

[Cold Front]

Waste of time trying to discuss this with you. You're not even entertaining, though I did lol when you tried to compare Buffet's mistakes to Trump's. In what fucking universe does those examples compare?
You obviously can't even be bothered to read up on the subject you're supposed to be discussing. You can't comprehend my arguments, and you leave out the bits of my post that you can't handle with your "snappy" remarks.

I've have laid out my arguments. Other posters should be able to see what's what here.

If you're going to give up, don't whine. Just tap out like a man.

 

[method115]

Reading that exchange, and then realizing that Trump leads in the polls, is as good an indictment as any of the collective American IQ.

Who even votes on these polls. I've never voted on these polls. In fact I asked everyone single person at my job throughout the day and not on person said they voted on those polls or any poll for that matter. In fact most of them weren't even paying attention to these debates right now. They said it's way to early for that kind of stuff.

 

[The ScorpioN]

lol when all else fails

True. In the GOP debate it was interchangeable between ragging on Obama and Hilary. I recall a candidate was saying how awful Hilary is for like the tenth time and some hack, don't remember who, jumps in saying something along the lines of 'why are we talking about Hilary because she can't do anything right', just to get his 2 cents in on Hilary being terrible. Very entertaining.

Seano is right, soon we'll have reality TV shows centered around deciding who is going to lead the country. Sponsored by Walmart, McDonalds and Corn Nuts.

 

[2GunTommy]

None of the other politicians have suggested absurd, unrealistic policies like tracking down and departing 11 million people or somehow convincing Mexico to build the great wall of China on our border.

I was more reacting to people criticizing him for not giving any specific plans, when its obvious hes given more than most if not all other candidates. Criticizing his plan is one thing, but saying hes given less then anyone else just isnt being honest.