Trump goes after workers, unions again - gets slapped down by courts

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  1. Trotsky

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    Meant to post this earlier. It's unfathomable to me how anyone can still pretend that Trump is for workers while his NLRB, agency heads, judicial appointees, and now his direct executive orders are going after workers and their ability to organize and protect against unjust firing. The worst mandates of orders were, in my opinion, those which instructed agencies to stop negotiation with workers about key workplace conditions.



    A federal district judge in Washington struck down most of the key provisions of three executive orders that President Trump signed in late May that would have made it easier to fire federal employees.

    The ruling, issued early Saturday, is a blow to Republican efforts to rein in public-sector labor unions, which states like Wisconsin have aggressively curtailed in recent years. In June, the Supreme Court dealt public-sector unions a major blow by ending mandatory union fees for government workers nationwide. (Federal workers were already exempt from paying such fees.)

    The ruling is the latest in a series of legal setbacks for the administration, which has suffered losses in court in its efforts to wield executive authority to press its agenda on immigration, voting and the environment.

    The executive orders, which also rolled back the power of the unions that represent federal workers, had instructed agencies to seek to reduce the amount of time in which underperforming employees are allowed to demonstrate improvement before facing termination, from a maximum of up to 120 days to a maximum of 30 days, and to seek to limit workers’ avenues for appealing performance evaluations. The orders also sought to significantly reduce the amount of so-called official time that federal employees in union positions can spend on union business during work hours.

    The complaint said that the president lacks the authority to override federal law on these questions, and the judge in the case, Ketanji Brown Jackson, agreed, writing that most of the key provisions of the executive orders “conflict with congressional intent in a manner that cannot be sustained.”

    The White House had implicitly sought to pre-empt this critique in the text of the executive orders, styling the provisions as mere goals that the federal agencies should try to bring about through bargaining with the unions rather than unilateral mandates.

    But Judge Jackson flatly rejected this maneuver, arguing that the law requires agencies to negotiate in “good faith” and that the executive orders “impair the ability of agency officials to keep an open mind, and to participate fully in give-and-take discussions, during collective bargaining negotiations.

    The White House, facing the latest in a proliferation of high-profile legal challenges, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    In announcing the executive orders, White House officials had portrayed them as a way to improve the functioning of government.

    “These executive orders will make it easier for agencies to remove poor-performing employees and ensure that taxpayer dollars are more efficiently used,” Andrew Bremberg, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council, said on a call with reporters in May.

    Many experts on government bureaucracy agree that it can be too difficult to fire civil servants, but they say that the administration went significantly further than was necessary to achieve its stated goal.

    “Very clearly the administration is trying to do all it can to weaken the role of public employee unions,” Donald F. Kettl, a professor of public policy at the University of Texas at Austin, said in an interview at the time. “It’s part of a far broader strategy, that’s in many ways bubbling up from the states, to turn the Civil Service into at-will employment.

    The Trump administration will most likely appeal the decision to a federal circuit court, and could then appeal to the Supreme Court if it loses there.

    The orders, which were put in place across the government in July, had begun to create an atmosphere of fear among workers at many federal agencies.

    “Employees are really frightened,” said Loni Schultz, a union official representing workers at the Social Security Administration in the Midwest. “They’re frightened about losing jobs. They have house payments, car payments, child care.”

    [...]

    Judge Jackson found that the relevant executive order “completely reconceptualizes” the right of the unions to negotiate for official time even though Congress had specifically sought to protect that right.


    Among the other provisions that Judge Jackson struck down were those instructing the agencies to stop negotiating with unions over key workplace issues, such as the number of workers assigned to a subdivision of an agency or a particular project and the type of technology used to perform work.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/business/trump-federal-workers-unions.html
     
  2. tehJameson

    tehJameson RANCH Yellow Card

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    He said he's for workers so it must be true according to his stupid voter base. Just like he's the law and order president, and least racist person you've ever met lol.

    His "worker" base won't care even if they see this. I know they are dumber than most but they actually think some shady businessman from new york city who outsources and treats his employees like shit gives a damn about them? Trump loves the poorly educated.
     
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    Republicans have a proud history of shitting on worker rights.
     
  4. AtomicPanther

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    Breaking News: Trump is for Trump!!!!
     
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    “These executive orders will make it easier for agencies to remove poor-performing employees and ensure that taxpayer dollars are more efficiently used,” Andrew Bremberg, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council, said on a call with reporters in May.

    Sounds like a good idea to me
     
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    Out of all the unfathomable bullshit that has bloomed over the last three years or so, the idea that the Republican Party in general, or that Donald Trump specifically, is “for workers” has to be #1 on the list.

    You know what would make it easiest to remove “poor performing” (or just inconvenient) employees? Having no protections for anyone!

    You probably think that sounds like a great idea, too, don’t you?

    Moron.
     
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  7. Neph

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    If there was no protection then the workforce would be more efficient and would have less overheads. That means you could hire more people!

    /s
     
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    Lol.

    Be careful, a lot of the maga bois out there will think this is a brilliant post.
     
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    I don't understand, wouldn't you rather it be easier to fire useless employees . Especially ones working for the government?
     
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    I don't know why you are so angry lol.
     
  11. Tiny

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    Why would i want it to be hard to remove poor performing employees?
     
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    Job Interview Guilty of being white

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    He knows no loyalty but to himself.
    Can't even be faithful to his own wives, how is anyone gonna think he'll be faithful to the country and its backbone, the workers who do the things?
     
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    As an employer, I don’t see how 30 days isn’t enough time for an employee to show improvement in how they do an existing job. I have had about 300 employees or so both as a manager and then as business owner and in my experience once you give somebody feedback that they need to improve and the resources needed to make that change happen it is often immediately clear whether that change is going to happen.
     
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    Maybe because the middle class continuously insists on shooting itself in the foot in the name of sympathizing with “corporate efficiency” and lower taxes for our economic overlords.

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    Union Decline Lowers Wages of Non-Union Workers
    https://www.epi.org/publication/uni...hy-wages-are-stuck-and-inequality-is-growing/

    You are assuming that the heads of these agencies are going to be operating under good faith rather than seeking to shed as many employees as possible under whatever pretext they can fabricate.

    The stated aim of Trump and the GOP is to slash the size of the federal workforce across virtually all areas. That’s primarily what he means by “draining the swamp.”

    As the OP says, this is just an attempt to make federal employment more like at-will employment and less like union work... in other words, further attack on unions. If you want to know why that’s bad for everyone in the middle class, look at the top half of the post.
     
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    I'm in one of the biggest unions in the state and it takes an act of congress to fire the most uselsess people you could imagine.
     
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    Murcan worker rights are 3rd world. Just like their healthcare. Fucking idiots.
     
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    An Australian friend was recently marveling at how little termination protection US employees have. @Ruprecht can probably vouch for the difference.
     
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    Yep, this is the most unbelievable thing about the rise of Trump, his non millionaire followers really are this stupid.
     
  19. ultramanhyata

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    A lot of Trumpublican private sector union members feel no fraternity with the state and federal employee unions. They just see those workers as part of "big gubmint".

    To paraphrase their Dear Leader the public sector members are "fake union".
     
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    ultramanhyata Gold Belt

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    In Murica "right to work" means you can bleed your own union to death by not paying dues and also be terminated by your employer at any time for any reason.

    Pure freedom, bro.
     

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