Trump appears to backtrack on promise to cut back H1B visas

[MicroBrew]

Well his admin is breaking a major campaign promise, and throwing his base , and the American people, under the bus, to please big corporate tech companies and the open-borders crowd.

A very big part of Trump's popularity came from his patriotic views towards American workers. Americans were fed up with seeing foreigners coming in and taking decent paying jobs. Trump tapped into this understandable resentment. Now his admin appears to be backstabbing the base and the average American.

Where is all this winning we are supposed to be enjoying under Trump??



Under intense pressure from the business and technology communities, the Trump administration appears to be backing away from a policy change that could have forced foreign tech workers out of the country.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article193665859.html#storylink=cpy

 

[nac386]

Why would we want to force foreign tech-workers out of the country? We want the best and brightest from all over the world, that is what has always made America great.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Why would we want to force foreign tech-workers out of the country? We want the best and brightest from all over the world, that is what has always made America great.

Yeah, this is a good thing. He was bullshitting his idiot base, fair. But this is better policy for the country.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Just 7D chess to secure funding for that 3 mile long piece of wall.

 

[MicroBrew]

Why would we want to force foreign tech-workers out of the country? We want the best and brightest from all over the world, that is what has always made America great.

And who says we don't have that here. Most of these tech workers are only here because Tech companies can pay them less and more importantly extract a degree of obedience and compliance the average American tech worker might bristle at.

Tech companies are taking masses of foreign workers. We are talking about highly selective picking of the only the very best from overseas. H1B visa is the upmarket version of illegal immigrant Mexican labor.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Why would we want to force foreign tech-workers out of the country? We want the best and brightest from all over the world, that is what has always made America great.

This. We want to avoid people who come in and work for under minimum wage, and thus lower overall wages in that industry for Americans working legally, or simply don’t work at all and either way live off benefits, crowd the public school system, and don’t give back into it as much as they take out

We have a shortage of skilled tech workers. Bring in the ones qualified. I’m an electrical engineer. There’s so, so many openings still. I get at least two calls a week from a recruiter simply seeing my linked in page, despite it saying I’m not currently looking.

For about a month I had linked in and indeed set to “searching”. Holy shit

 

[MicroBrew]

Yeah, this is a good thing. He was bullshitting his idiot base, fair. But this is better policy for the country.

It isn't a good thing unless one doesn't give a shit about the American working and middle class. H1B visas shafts the average American, who now has to compete with foreign labor that will take less pay and work under more tough conditions.

I thought Democrats and liberals cared about the little guy, raising wages and raising living standards. Constantly importing masses of foreign tech workers undermines the average American who wants to get an education so that he/she can secure a decent paying middle-class job.

This is the kind of law supported by ethnic lobbies, open-borders crowd , corporate hacks and people who don't see themselves personally being made redundant by foreign workers.

 

[bobgeese]

So he’s not Hitler?

 

[nac386]

And who says we don't have that here. Most of these tech workers are only here because Tech companies can pay them less and more importantly extract a degree of obedience and compliance the average American tech worker might bristle at.

Tech companies are taking masses of foreign workers. We are talking about highly selective picking of the only the very best from overseas. H1B visa is the upmarket version of illegal immigrant Mexican labor.

Highly selectively picking only the very best from overseas sounds like a great idea for the United States. That is exactly what we should do, it's literally perfect for an "American first" stance.

If you do not have the talent to function in a highly competitive tech industry, then you should not be in the tech industry. We cannot dumb down our tech industry to make sure less-talented people can participate, that is a recipe for falling way behind other countries in the most important field for a modern society.

 

[P4p Islam]

Where are his supporters? Someone has to support all this winning!

 

[Rod1]

And who says we don't have that here. Most of these tech workers are only here because Tech companies can pay them less and more importantly extract a degree of obedience and compliance the average American tech worker might bristle at.

Tech companies are taking masses of foreign workers. We are talking about highly selective picking of the only the very best from overseas. H1B visa is the upmarket version of illegal immigrant Mexican labor.

And thats a bad thing how?

 

[uppercutbus]

We are talking about highly selective picking of the only the very best from overseas. H1B visa is the upmarket version of illegal immigrant Mexican labor.

Leftists here are adamant that is not the case and that it's only the best of the best.

We had a thread touching on this issue in the past. It is clearly abused by companies, if it wasn't Trump wouldn't of used it as a bullet point.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/i...he-us-workforce.3518535/page-2#post-129406965

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/i...he-us-workforce.3518535/page-4#post-137003583

 

[JSnake]

He actually switched his stance on it during the campaign:

 

[Ophydian]

Well his admin is breaking a major campaign promise, and throwing his base , and the American people, under the bus, to please big corporate tech companies and the open-borders crowd.

A very big part of Trump's popularity came from his patriotic views towards American workers. Americans were fed up with seeing foreigners coming in and taking decent paying jobs. Trump tapped into this understandable resentment. Now his admin appears to be backstabbing the base and the average American.

Where is all this winning we are supposed to be enjoying under Trump??



Under intense pressure from the business and technology communities, the Trump administration appears to be backing away from a policy change that could have forced foreign tech workers out of the country.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article193665859.html#storylink=cpy

You do realize that a large number of Doctors in rural communities get here from the H1B Visa program? Without these programs, small hospital systems would be under staffed and unable to provide adequate healthcare.

Limiting the H1B program was a foolish proposition and one I KNEW he couldn't keep once he realized the major impact it would have.

I can't blame his base for being ignorant on the issue but I sure can blame him for not knowing the ins and outs of something he wants to do away with. That is just pure incompetence.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It isn't a good thing unless one doesn't give a shit about the American working and middle class.

Most people think that it's better for the American working and middle class.

I thought Democrats and liberals cared about the little guy, raising wages and raising living standards. Constantly importing masses of foreign tech workers undermines the average American who wants to get an education so that he/she can secure a decent paying middle-class job.

This is the kind of law supported by ethnic lobbies, open-borders crowd , corporate hacks and people who don't see themselves personally being made redundant by foreign workers.

Yeah, I've read the propaganda pieces that you're drawing this idiocy from. At the very least, if you assume that you are pure and good and that people who have different ideas about how to improve things are evil monsters, you're never going to learn anything. People who support this think (with good reason, but we can't even get to the point of discussing pros and cons when you're coming in with that kind of tribalist attitude) that it will increase our productivity, raise wages, increase economic dynamism (new companies, new tech, for example), etc.

 

[sub_thug]

Why would we want to force foreign tech-workers out of the country? We want the best and brightest from all over the world, that is what has always made America great.

This. We want to avoid people who come in and work for under minimum wage, and thus lower overall wages in that industry for Americans working legally, or simply don’t work at all and either way live off benefits, crowd the public school system, and don’t give back into it as much as they take out

We have a shortage of skilled tech workers. Bring in the ones qualified. I’m an electrical engineer. There’s so, so many openings still. I get at least two calls a week from a recruiter simply seeing my linked in page, despite it saying I’m not currently looking.

For about a month I had linked in and indeed set to “searching”. Holy shit

Highly selectively picking only the very best from overseas sounds like a great idea for the United States. That is exactly what we should do, it's literally perfect for an "American first" stance.

If you do not have the talent to function in a highly competitive tech industry, then you should not be in the tech industry. We cannot dumb down our tech industry to make sure less-talented people can participate, that is a recipe for falling way behind other countries in the most important field for a modern society.

 

[MicroBrew]

Highly selectively picking only the very best from overseas sounds like a great idea for the United States. That is exactly what we should do, it's literally perfect for an "American first" stance.

If you do not have the talent to function in a highly competitive tech industry, then you should not be in the tech industry. We cannot dumb down our tech industry to make sure less-talented people can participate, that is a recipe for falling way behind other countries in the most important field for a modern society.

There is a typo in that sentence. It should have read "we are NOT talking"

You really think the hundreds of thousands of tech workers are all researchers and superior to American tech workers? I don't have an issue with very selectively bringing in a small number of the best, but I am opposed to this mass influx of everyday professionals who are taking away jobs from Americans.

You also create a self fulfilling prophecy of depriving the American workforce of homegrown talent when you keep importing tens of thousands of tech workers, because when a working class/middle class kid sees who he/she has to compete with, they are put-off from even considering that field as a career. So then we see less and less Americans going into certain tech fields dominated by foreigners, which then discourages even more Americans and tech schools / vocational colleges cut-back from investing in facilities, Academia and programs that train homegrown American talent.

 

[uppercutbus]

You do realize that a large number of Doctors in rural communities get here from the H1B Visa program? Without these programs, small hospital systems would be under staffed and unable to provide adequate healthcare.

Limiting the H1B program was a foolish proposition and one I KNEW he couldn't keep once he realized the major impact it would have.

I can't blame his base for being ignorant on the issue but I sure can blame him for not knowing the ins and outs of something he wants to do away with. That is just pure incompetence.

No problems in the tech sector which nearly all articles focus on? Who is ignorant on the issue? Sounds like you.

 

[Trotsky]

Every president backtracks on promises for the sake of passing policy that is for the good of the country.

It just so happens that it is the will of corporations and private benefactors, not the good of the country, that certainly fueled this decision. But, either way, it's good news.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Trump isn't even engaged as President anymore. It's a mainline pro-business, socially conservative Republican Administration being co-ran by Pence and McConnell/Ryan. You can forget anything and everything Trump might have said in the campaign - it was just what he said to get elected.

Trump ran as a pro-worker populist and wholly ambivalent on social issues. He'd probably sin the TPP right now if it came to his desk.