Law Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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  1. floivanus

    floivanus Purple Belt

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    Hey, also I hate this thread, it has me “liking” @Fawlty ’s posts way too much

    Don’t get used to it bub
     
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  2. tonni

    tonni Silver Belt

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    Nicotine is very underrated as an addictive substance.
     
  3. Fawlty

    Fawlty Moving toward your mother

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    I'm sure developing brains are affected harder by nicotine than adult ones, and I'm worried about nicotine hurting development. There's a legit "think of the children" thing there, I think, at least until we know more about the brain. Dunno how best to keep adults able to buy vape that tastes okay, while still keeping kids away as much as possible.

    Soda/fast food, agreed they're screwing kids' shit up bad. Yeah it would be great if cigarettes had to be totally natural and have natural filters. It would help a lot, though you're still plastering carbon to your lungs and it's way carcinogenic and tarry.
     
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  4. Throttlehead

    Throttlehead Red Belt

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    You are spreading a serious amount of bullshit, or in a world you might understand (FAKE NEWS).

    First off, your popcorn lung thing is laughable bullshit ( you probably get all your news on Facebook). Not one single person in the history of vaping has got popcorn lung, there is more diacetyl in cigarettes than in flavoured vape juice, also diacetyl has not been used in vape juice flavouring for years now....its just more bullshit. The only people that have ever got popcorn lung worked in a factory that made microwave popcorn.

    NONE, ZERO, NADA, has one person ever had a problem vaping e-juice be it flavoured or not. The cases of these problems were counterfeit THC tanks/pods on the black market which were filled with a thickner ( Vitamin E acetate ) which can be fatal to vape. Some black market people are even putting in vitamins, viagra, etc in juice. This has NOTHING to do with regular e-juice, its just idiots. The UK is putting vape shops in hospitals FFS, and Doctors there suggest them as a smoking cessation.

    People have been vaping for 10+ years, suddenly in one month everyone is getting sick or dying? Seriously, use your head a little.
    Trump is being lobbied by big tobacco to do what he is proposing...its insanity.

    Read this article, its pretty accurate.
    Dispersing the clouds of the vape panic myth
    Illicit THC products are the problem
     
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  5. Last Samurai

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    Proper regulation could solve that.

    Instead of a ban
     
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  6. JoeyJoeJoeJr

    JoeyJoeJoeJr Brown Belt

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    Im against cigs and ecigs, I think they should be outlawed, but the reality is theres no real connection between vaping and lung disease yet.

    450 "possible cases". Possible should be the red flag that tells you this number is exaggerated, and 450 is absolutely nothing in a sea of millions of vapers. It sounds more like an agenda to me.

    Beyond that, banning flavored ecigs and not banning actual cigarettes makes no sense, as regular cigarettes are proven to be awful you.
     
  7. SammyPops

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    It was only a matter ot time until big tobacco and pharma stomped out this less harmful and expensive to their products.
     
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  8. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun Al Far'oun

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    If it was California looking to ban these something tells me we would be hearing all about how liberals want to ban everything.

    Personally I'm all for keeping them out of kid's hands but you don't need to ban them to do that. They're annoying but that's hardly a good enough reason to ban something. In terms of health concerns it would seem to me that regular cigarettes and alcohol are still a far more grave concern but since those aren't exclusively used by millennials they're not going to be as easily demonized and banned.
     
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  9. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun Al Far'oun

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    I agree with you that this is the wrong move but to be fair there have been some big lawsuits against big pharma for the opioid crisis. Johnson and Johnson had to pay out ~500 million and Purdue Pharma is going into structured bankruptcy to pay out billions to settle thousands of lawsuits with local and state officials across the country. So thankfully something is being done there, certainly a lot more than I expected to happen.
     
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  10. Headkicktoleg

    Headkicktoleg Steel Belt

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    The fact that kids think these are safe and taste good is why they are banning the flavors. They aren't banning vaping all together, just the flavors.

    After vaping-related illness, teen now has lungs like 'a 70-year-old's'
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/11/health/vaping-lung-illness-illinois-teen-profile/index.html

    "The US Food and Drug Administration announced on Wednesday that more than a quarter of high school students this year have reported using e-cigarettes and the "overwhelming majority" reference using popular fruit and menthol or mint flavors, according to preliminary data from the National Youth Tobacco Survey."

    "The tremendous progress we've made in reducing youth tobacco use in the US is jeopardized by this onslaught of e-cigarette use. Nobody wants to see children becoming addicted to nicotine, and we will continue to use the full scope of our regulatory authority thoughtfully and thoroughly to tackle this mounting public health crisis."

    "Separate surveys also suggest that most teens think e-cigarettes are safe.
    Adam certainly thought vaping was safe when he started using e-cigarettes, he said. One of his favorite flavors was mango."

    "We're very early in the stages of finding out what problems may come up from vaping," he said. "We're finding these acute, severe illnesses now, but there really isn't enough vaping history to say what's going to happen 10, 20, 30 years down the road."


     
  11. Falsedawn

    Falsedawn Realest Negus Alive Platinum Member

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    Until you figure out that THC products are the products currently under advisory, you can post all the goofy ass scare articles you want and you'll still look goofy as shit.
     
  12. Headkicktoleg

    Headkicktoleg Steel Belt

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    You look goofy thinking inhaling chemicals is safe
     
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    Falsedawn Realest Negus Alive Platinum Member

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    Oh noesssss, CHEMICALS!!!!!

    You sound like one of those natural oil marks. Couldn't tell me what LD50 is, but you have a handle on "chemicals". Fucking lol.
     
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  14. toutadixballes

    toutadixballes Playing touch butt in a park

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    I live in the UK where the National Health Service recommend it to stop smoking, studies shows it's 95% healthier than tobacco.
    I quit smoking and vape for 3 years now, I don't cough anymore and feel better overall.
    I vape eliquid without nicotine now, don't need it anymore, and some CBD eliquid sometimes.

    People who had health issues vaped some clandestin THC stuff.

    Overall, it's obvious there is a big lobbying move from the tobacco industry, no need other explaination.
     
  15. Headkicktoleg

    Headkicktoleg Steel Belt

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    Lol. You actually do think vaping is safe. Hahahaha
     
  16. Falsedawn

    Falsedawn Realest Negus Alive Platinum Member

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    I think that vaping is safer than smoking, yes.

    That's because I understand harm reduction strategies and actually research the chemical makeup of the juices I buy.

    Compare that to you posting false articles, being willfully stupid about the fact that THC vapes and Nic vapes literally aren't the same thing, and going on about "chemicals".

    You're a moron, and this entire thread was an abortion from the outset. Educate yourself.
     
  17. Grenz

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    Lots of idiots (including OP) in this thread who don’t know what they’re talking about:

    - no dummies, ecigs aren’t targeted to kids because they have fruit or desert flavours. That’s a lie your government tells you.

    - no dummies, they’re not as bad as cigs, why was there no mention of any illnesses throughout the last ten years? And why do all the proper independent studies point to 99% harm reduction? Fake news amirite?

    - no dummies, Philip Morris or Altria doesn’t get a hand in writing legislation. If they did, the tobacco industry wouldn’t be in the state it’s in.

    - no dummies, this isn’t awesome for for everyone, people can easily make their own flavoured vape juice, they’ll make it in the safety of their basement, what could go wrong?

    - no dummies, tobacco companies don’t add any chemicals to tobacco. All those thousands of harmful chemicals are released via combustion of an organic material. Try smoking sage or tea leaves 15 tines a day for the next 25 years and you’re also going to have problems.
     
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  18. Job Interview

    Job Interview Nessitate

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    This.
    E cigarettes are the only thing saving me from the eternal nightmare that is breathing other people's smoke.
     
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  19. LuchaBear

    LuchaBear Red Belt

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    It's not weed vapes that are supposedly killing us thankfully :)


    Edit: Never mind, it was THC oil vapes. Thankfully I just use herb ones.
     
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  20. SmilinDesperado

    SmilinDesperado Silver Belt

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    Yeah, I'm not getting this argument that ecigs are "targeting kids" because they have an assortment of flavors.
    As if American adults dont like sweets.
    If i can get the taste of Marlboro, or the taste of bubblegum, yes...I'm going with the bubblegum.
    It's a dumb argument. Ben and Jerry's icecream isnt just for kids because it has a lot of different flavors and funky names.
     

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