Trump admin suspending risk adjustment payments

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There's a tendency for people to think that the way to win politically is for politicians to embrace their favored ideas, and it's almost always wrong. But I really can't see how "sabotage the healthcare system and hope that people blame your predecessor" is good strategy. And obviously it's horrible from the perspective of human decency and good governance.
 
There's a tendency for people to think that the way to win politically is for politicians to embrace their favored ideas, and it's almost always wrong. But I really can't see how "sabotage the healthcare system and hope that people blame your predecessor" is good strategy. And obviously it's horrible from the perspective of human decency and good governance.

That strategy has work for Trump. Cause a huge mess, come in with lies & bullshit saying it's someone else's fault, do some grandiose gesture that does nothing and say you fixed it.

The Trumpublican modus operandi.
 
This is just petty. Another big Fuck You to poor Americans nobody gives a shit about
 
I was laughed at when I complained about high premiums when ACA kicked in.

But Trump!
 
I was laughed at when I complained about high premiums when ACA kicked in.

But Trump!

You were laughed at because the ACA has caused premium growth to fall drastically. You're paying way less than you would be if there were no ACA. And now that Trump is actively trying to sabotage the system and actually driving premiums up, you're turning back and saying "harder, harder!"
 
You were laughed at because the ACA has caused premium growth to fall drastically. You're paying way less than you would be if there were no ACA. And now that Trump is actively trying to sabotage the system and actually driving premiums up, you're turning back and saying "harder, harder!"

straight up bullshit. if you werent on mommy and daddies insurance youd know that.
 
You were laughed at because the ACA has caused premium growth to fall drastically. You're paying way less than you would be if there were no ACA. And now that Trump is actively trying to sabotage the system and actually driving premiums up, you're turning back and saying "harder, harder!"
You're talking about possibilities, I'm talking reality. I'm tired of you telling me shit like this when I know its flat out false. My premiums have skyrocketed and thats after my workplace was forced to take a lesser insurance plan because they could no longer afford what we had.

I don't care about some imaginary scenario that you've created to defend Obama. I'm talking real life experience. We never saw increases in cost or premium prior to the institution of ACA on this level. 35 fucking grand is what my workplace pays for my family coverage now. Let that sink in. 35 thousand dollars for insurance. Practically 100 times the amount of the most I have ever spent on health care in a year.
So, if you're going to belittle and lessen my experience, don't expect me to give a fuck about this. You were OK with other people taking it up the ass for Obama. Don't act like you really care here. You people care now because Trump. Period. High premiums were a non issue for you before and one that you made fun of people over.
 
straight up bullshit. if you werent on mommy and daddies insurance youd know that.

Haven't been on my parents' insurance for a couple of decades now, but more than that, anyone can look up the numbers themselves.
 
You were laughed at because the ACA has caused premium growth to fall drastically.
While the debate proceeds over some details of the American Health Care Act, it’s worth pausing to take another look at how awfully misnamed the so-called “Affordable” Care Act has turned out to be, especially for people who buy their health plans on their own, rather than obtain it through an employer. While advocates and politicians have cited numerous examples of people facing huge premium increases, ACA advocates have been able to respond that those are cherry-picked cases, or that premiums were increasing before the ACA and would have increased anyway.

Those responses are no longer plausible. It turns out that across the board, for all ages and family sizes, for HMO, PPO, and POS plans, premium increases averaged about 60 percent from 2013, the last year before ACA reforms took effect, to 2017. In same length of time preceding that, all groups experienced premium increases of less than 10 percent, and most age groups actually experienced premium decreases, on average.




The data allow us to break down the pre- and post-ACA changes by age, individual vs. family, and plan type. Overall, Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) premiums actually decreased 4.6% in the four years before the ACA reforms came into effect (that is, from 2009 to 2013), but increased 46.4% in the first four years under the ACA. Point-of-Service (POS) premiums decreased 14.9% before the ACA, and increased a whopping 66.2% afterwards. Premiums for the more common Preferred Provider Organization (PPO) plans increased 15% in the four years before the ACA, and 66.2% afterwards.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...are-act-that-increased-premiums/#1fe6af2711d2

oops!

I watched that happen. Don't tell me I benefited from ACA. It has hindered my workplace's growth more than any other factor.
 
You're talking about possibilities, I'm talking reality.

I'm talking reality. Premium growth and healthcare cost growth have been at the lowest levels since we started tracking them (in the 1960s) since the ACA passed. That is reality.

I'm tired of you telling me shit like this when I know its flat out false.

No matter how angry the facts make you, they don't stop being facts. If you want to argue, look up the numbers yourself and make a case. Just "I'm a Republican so fuck your facts" isn't going to cut it, chief.

Here's a more-recent look:

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I don't care about some imaginary scenario that you've created to defend Obama. I'm talking real life experience.

??? I'm talking about real-life experience. You're just making up bullshit to try to avoid looking at the facts, aren't you?
 
After like 7+ years of crying about the ACA, the GOP has still put forth ZERO attempt at offering a better solution.
 
You were laughed at because the ACA has caused premium growth to fall drastically. You're paying way less than you would be if there were no ACA.

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Every single single yearly trend Shows this information, where insurance premium growth has stayed on a linear scale from around 2000 til now, with a bump up when aca came out and then the same slope of increase

You could argue that Obama Care didn’t raise premiums as much as people perhaps think, but to say it slowed the growth is a blatant falsehood

Most likely, the employer contribution hit a tipping point at that 10k per person average and forced businesses to respond by lowering their amount of coverage. So premiums have remained the same growth, but deductibles and co pay have increased while coverage has dropped has been the observations of most middle class Americans
 
I told you to look at the numbers, and you're linking to an anti-ACA propaganda piece.

The trick, BTW, is to constrain the periods they're looking at. Cost growth first slowed because of the GFC, and was then expected to rise because of the recovery, but the ACA caused the drop to become permanent.
I look at the numbers on my paycheck and my annual workplaces budget which has been neutered to cover our health care. That means more to me than your cherry picked sources. Your graphs and charts mean jack shit when I can see the tangible difference with my own eyes.
 
After like 7+ years of crying about the ACA, the GOP has still put forth ZERO attempt at offering a better solution.

The problem is that it's literally impossible for them to do it. They had been criticizing the plan mostly from the left, saying that it doesn't do *enough* to make healthcare affordable, but also saying that it raises taxes on the rich too much, regulates too much, and costs too much. Those are contradictory criticisms. We can have the gov't spend and regulate more to bring costs down for individuals (and the spending requires tax increases) or we can move back toward the pre-ACA status quo, which means higher costs for consumers (and much higher debt).
 
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Every single single yearly trend Shows this information, where insurance premium growth has stayed on a linear scale from around 2000 til now, with a bump up when aca came out and then the same slope of increase

You could argue that Obama Care didn’t raise premiums as much as people perhaps think, but to say it slowed the growth is a blatant falsehood

Most likely, the employer contribution hit a tipping point at that 10k per person average and forced businesses to respond by lowering their amount of coverage. So premiums have remained the same growth, but deductibles and co pay have increased while coverage has dropped has been the observations of most middle class Americans
That chart is showing a reduction in cost growth. Notice that from 1999 to 2005 you're showing cost growth from 9% to 13% and post ACA it's around 5%.
 
That chart is showing a reduction in cost growth. Notice that from 1999 to 2005 you're showing cost growth from 9% to 13% and post ACA it's around 5%.


Between the end of 2013 and the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period, average family premiums have increased 140%


  • Average individual health insurance premiums increased 147% between 2008 and the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period.
    [*]Average family health insurance premiums increased 177% between 2008 and the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period
https://news.ehealthinsurance.com/n...ed-140-according-to-ehealth-com-shopping-data
 
Every single single yearly trend Shows this information, where insurance premium growth has stayed on a linear scale from around 2000 til now, with a bump up when aca came out and then the same slope of increase

You could argue that Obama Care didn’t raise premiums as much as people perhaps think, but to say it slowed the growth is a blatant falsehood

Your first chart ends before many of the key elements took effect. Anyway, there was a bump when it first came online as sick people who previously couldn't get coverage got it and paid more for it. And far from being a falsehood, it's not a controversial point that cost and premium growth has slowed since the law passed. The controversy is over the role that the ACA has played in the big slowdown.

Here's a balanced piece that is slightly hostile to the ACA:

https://ldi.upenn.edu/brief/effects-aca-health-care-cost-containment
 
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