International True patriot Colonel Macgregor says US losses in war with China. Taiwan is not our interest. Borders

love these sheer fucking hubris threads.
So the plan is to attempt to turn the entire country of China to dust conventionally. That should end well....Step back, take a few deep breaths and start the long road of ACTUALLY decoupling with China. We were starting that process and some of us warned old Biden would fuck it all up.

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I was just saying that taking out an aircraft carrier (+strike group) is a lot more difficult than people seem to think, and "sitting duck" is laughable bordering on preposterous. If that were the case, China wouldn't be plunking down billions on their own fleet or prancing their new Type 3 out for the world to see this Summer.

Listen, I honestly don't give a fuck about American hegemony, Chinese ambitions or the idea of a multipolar world. I don't see it as "good guys" and "bad guys", I don't speak from a position of moral high ground, I don't care about human rights or even pretend to. I care about American Industry, period. My problem with China is that they fleece it by up to $600 billion dollars per year.

There is no agreement, contract, deal, pledge or promise that they won't promptly wipe their ass with, particularly in regards to IP, industrial tech and trade. It's endemic within mainland Chinese culture or something. It is untenable, bordering on virtually impossible to maintain any sort of 'normal relations' or partnerships with them on anything whatsoever.

The plan would be an apolitical, domestic nationalist agenda with policy focused strictly on the development and strengthening of the life-blood sectors and industries that form the backbone of American prosperity and national security. The decoupling would begin with full measure FDI restrictions and export controls. But then I look at the absolute state of American politics and the American people.

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lmao at thinking anyone cares what a O-6 thinks.
 
And small but still there the fast attacks have nuclear torpedo that can hit ship and land along the coast. I worked on all of these at one time or another. Also I'm not giving out any information that is not readily available. But most people have no idea of the US capabilities . It's unbelievable and slightly terrifying. MAD at least on the US side is no bullshit propaganda.

That's really cool, the SSBNs have always been my favorite component of the entire armed forces. They are the centerpiece of US national security and the ultimate deterrent. The Ohio class subs are finally approaching their well deserved retirement later this decade to be phased out and replaced by 12 brand new Columbia class submarines that will serve until at least 2085. The principal nuclear armament is going to be streamlined to 16 upgraded Trident-D5 SLBMs along with twin tubes for Mk48 ADCAP torpedos. The stealth upgrades on them are also necessary given how hydro-acoustic sensing and processing technologies have advanced.
 




*US has to recognize domestic issues
*US has to recognize China has interests in Taiwan we have to respect just like Russia has in Ukraine
*China is about business
*China military inferior to Russia in WMD capabilities and much smaller, also advanced forces are less capable than Russia
*China fears US submarine fleet
*However, China has economic power and enough manpower to protect their homeland, sink US naval ships, and take Taiwan and will no matter the cost
*China has the ability to sustain the operations indefinitely the US does not



I'm just curious....

When did Republicans turn into the party of complete pussies? I thought democrats were supposed to be the scared chickens.
 
Truman was dem.
Sadly he took office after cunts had already signed deal with Stalin who later treated allies like piece of trash in 1949 th and this was stuff why NATO had been created...
Cos for Kremlin signed treaties always are 0 worth stuff....
Truman ruled office from april 1945 till 1953 th and had steel balls....
Next U.S president Kremlin really had feared was Reagan....
 
So all our carriers off their coast would not be sitting ducks?

The problem with trying to take a US carrier is getting through the escorts. They can't just take the aircraft carrier. They would have to get past superior American jets, ships, probably subs, and a missile defense system and they'd have to score a major hit.

Not to say it can't be done, but it's a very tall order. Far from sitting ducks.
 
Carriers always are guarded by submarines and smaller ships ( while a lot of them are really capable ) escorts...

While all surface ships ( not subs ) larger than some 10000 tons are " sitting ducks "..

Chinesse ships too....military...civil etc.
 
All the brilliance of a dozen chuds on here getting their news from TikTok and Richard Maddow trying to argue with a guy that’s been on the inside is blinding, and hilarious.
 
I honestly think the idea of an all-out war with China is laughable. They have very long term goals for their civilization-state and do not even anticipate to be at a satisfactory level until October 1, 2049. There can be no Chinese Dream if the earth (nevermind their nation) is rendered a nuclear wasteland. The US is the far more dangerous party to the situation and far more likely to use nuclear weapons - they are an American invention, America is the only country that has ever actually deployed them on another - and it would take a full-scale invasion of the Mainland for China to resort to nukes but that just isn't going to happen.



Oh, Prince. I have mad love for you and nothing shall come between us (no homo). You know what, I went too wide and I'm not stubborn enough to waste our time defending the position of what is ultimately going to be a losing argument. The core objection I actually have in regards to CSG's and mobile air force bases in general is with simplistic parroted terms like "sitting duck" or "obsolete".

There is real, tangible weight behind force projection and if they were so obsolete, China itself wouldn't of just rolled out the third of their own (albeit non-nuclear powered) with Fujian Type 003 in June. They've got further plans to double the PLA Navy's number by the 2030s. I reckon this is in preparation for a "post-US" Asia rather than a direct confrontation with it, which actually speaks to one your other points but regardless.

In any case, there have recently been some pretty fascinating competing arguments on this published at T&P, this was the counter (and it's far too extensive to even bother trying to quote a succinct snippet).

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-navy-aircraft-carrier-war-china/


God, I'm getting really bad about necro'ing threads with late responses :)
Nothing'll ever come between us, brother man. Not even the apocalypse.

What I will say is that, while force projection is incredibly important, I think China's aircraft carriers are almost symbolic; built less for their functional value than for the status attached to building, owning, and operating aircraft carriers. China's will have the same problems that America's have (but even more so) if they try to do anything other than bully smaller powers.
Also, Task and Purpose is a little bit propagandistic :p

It is worth noting that China's slightly ahead of the schedule they set 30 years ago for aircraft carrier construction (they planned to have two by now, with a third still on the way), while the US is incapable of having a project completed on time and to spec. The Gerald Ford is still having problems, and its construction required the cannibalizations of parts from the next ship being built. This is probably the biggest problem with the US' aircraft carriers: they're near irreplaceable which is what makes them close to obsolete.
A weapon is next-to useless if it cannot be deployed for fear of being lost. And I'm not entirely convinced that any conflict is important enough to the US that it's worth risking the loss of an aircraft carrier and its attendant fleet. Since any conflict that takes place will take place in the Pacific, the Chinese have no choice but to put theirs at risk. And securing Taiwan is worth the loss to them, especially given the magnitude of their manufacturing base.
 
I'm just curious....

When did Republicans turn into the party of complete pussies? I thought democrats were supposed to be the scared chickens.
When did the left become lunatic warmongerers?

DNC, new home of George W Bush and Dick Cheney.

You lost the plot.
 
I think you forgot the values America is supposed to represent.

Bunch of fucking pussies want to cower against Russian and Chinese military flexing. Fuck both of those countries.
LOL? What fucking values? The US is the #1 exporter of military destruction on the planet.
 




*US has to recognize domestic issues
*US has to recognize China has interests in Taiwan we have to respect just like Russia has in Ukraine
*China is about business
*China military inferior to Russia in WMD capabilities and much smaller, also advanced forces are less capable than Russia
*China fears US submarine fleet
*However, China has economic power and enough manpower to protect their homeland, sink US naval ships, and take Taiwan and will no matter the cost
*China has the ability to sustain the operations indefinitely the US does not


China has major demographic issues. Their population is aging and won't be able to maintain their massive economic machine within the next 100 years.

This is part of the reason they've increased their aggression.
 
LOL? What fucking values? The US is the #1 exporter of military destruction on the planet.

I'm sure Putin's regime controlling most of Europe and China controlling most of Asia will make things much better for the world.

I guess you forgot how the appeasement strategy worked before. Strongmen only care about actions, not words.
 
LOL? What fucking values? The US is the #1 exporter of military destruction on the planet.

Lets ignore the fact that most of those military exports go to other Western allies.

If you're going to blame the supplier, you have to blame the purchaser too
 
I'm sure Putin's regime controlling most of Europe and China controlling most of Asia will make things much better for the world.

I guess you forgot how the appeasement strategy worked before. Strongmen only care about actions, not words.
Should the US control it then? Like they controlled Iraq and Afghanistan? Literally killing millions of innocent people. Like they took care of Lybia where their is now open slave markets? I can go on and on and on and on.........
 
China has major demographic issues. Their population is aging and won't be able to maintain their massive economic machine within the next 100 years.

This is part of the reason they've increased their aggression.
Due to decades of one-child policy, are parents really going to be willing to send their only child off to war?

This is why I doubt China will actually involve itself in an actual "hot" war in regards to Taiwan
 
Lets ignore the fact that most of those military exports go to other Western allies.

If you're going to blame the supplier, you have to blame the purchaser too
I was speaking more directly towards actions by the US military, but if you want to open up that can of worms sure. Selling weapons to Saudi's so that they can go commit genocide in Yemen, selling weapons to Israel so they can commit genocide against Palestinians. Can go on and on and on and on.......
 
Meh. This is some basic John Mersheimer shit. That brand of political “realism” is totally discredited by the Ukraine war.
You don't know what you're talking about according to snowblindahole. He believes Russia would crush China.

Oh China so far ahead technically over Russia an nuclear capability to believe Russia could win a war with China please stop. Ukraine proves that Russia military system is a corrupt mess.

China actually built Russia aircraft carrier an has an actually working airplane catapult an a flat deck only US an France have this capability.

MacGregor is a hack take that to the bank I worked for two Army Reserve colonals nothing special.

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