Hey guys Got motivated to start this thread after spending last week doing deep half and getting told the focus of this week is lapel guard. Don't get me wrong - deep half etc. is highly effective against judokas and wrestlings on the mats...especially since neither would have any real familiarity dealing with it. Also, they are really fun to play and can get really complex from a technical standpoint. That being said, these guards (as well as guards like spider/lasso/worm etc.) have little to no value in a self defence context. No one in a street situation should grab a piece of their opponent's clothing and sit down. And if you end up on the bottom somehow, surely the focus should be to sweep asap and/or get back to your feet/get on top. Same with the (in my opinion) over the top focus on leg locks - are you really going to give up position in a real life fight to go for someone's legs (instead of simply loop or cross choking them)? I come from more of a self-defence BJJ lineage but increasingly guards like these beat out the guards of old (closed guard, half guard). Pro BJJ-ers focus on developing these new guards nowadays while the teaching and experimentation with the old guards have waned. I personally know at least a handful of new blues who can show you how to berimbolo but not how to do a pendulum or flower sweep. I also know heaps of white belts who can Granby roll, invert (somewhat) and play DLR/reverse DLR but who barely knows how to do a single/double/ankle pick. Straight up, is BJJ the least effective of the grappling arts in a self defence scenario? Out of the combat sports, is it at this point also the least effective? You don't see MT fighters training spinning elbows and superman punches all day and you don't see boxers switch stance until usually a couple of fights in... P.S. I am actually a BJJ-er and not a judoka or wrestler. I just find it sad that the ultimate self defence martial arts once upon a time ended up more like a fancy chess game.