Travis Stevens wins silver using BJJ?

[fanboysareevil]

If you can't spell De La Riva, maybe you shouldn't debate people about the value of guard systems >.>. De La Riva used to be called "Vale Tudo Guard" because everyone used it in NHB back in the day. Your perception of what is and isn't BJJ specific doesn't matter. People much better than either of us have proven it false.

 

[deweydeucalion]

Wait a second.

In the leg entanglement that controls both legs at once and splits the opponents base....

Which leg exactly is going to be doing the stomping?

I would say the same leg that the x player is reaching for is the leg that will be stomping the face. Remember how x guard is achieved, it's not like the other guy is jumping into x. Do you know another way to get x besides the butt scoot? I want more awesome tech not less, so if x rocks I'm on board. Post a vid or explain if would please.

 

[deweydeucalion]

Welll.. you're the type who believes in Akido.. no point in arguing

lol, that's comic gold. You ever have an Akido guy show you some stuff? It ain't bad.

 

[deweydeucalion]

If you can't spell De La Riva, maybe you shouldn't debate people about the value of guard systems >.>. De La Riva used to be called "Vale Tudo Guard" because everyone used it in NHB back in the day. Your perception of what is and isn't BJJ specific doesn't matter. People much better than either of us have proven it false.

You got me, the old H instead of R. I think the Vale tudo guard is not the x. The VTG is the same as the Sombo guard. It's a closed guard angled to the side to avoid the head butt which is legal in combat Sombo and VT. My spelling sucks but my martial arts history actually pretty good.

 

[jack36767]

lol, that's comic gold. You ever have an Akido guy show you some stuff? It ain't bad.

If one on one against an Akio guy I can and will take him down and beat up/submit.. and would be fucked if by myself against many.. I work security at concerts and have had to break up mass fights and brawls. I'm well aware if the dynamics

I would like an actual example of Akio or Krav Maga working against multiple attackers jumping someone too... not disciples giving sensai exactly what needs

 

[deweydeucalion]

I knew as soon as they mentioned Travis's BJJ BB this type of thread would pop up.

I am NOT disappoint.

That said as a Judoka now BJJer I pray the increasing popularity of BJJ has positive effects on the crooked IJF and it gets away from the whole love affair with "Judo is only pretty throws" mentality.

Judo was meant to be efficient and effective, not pleasing to the eye.

I would actually like more judo players to start competing in bjj. You can actually do more judo tech under bjj rules. In the US freestyle judo and sombo scenes are so small that you could beast in their (stateside) tournaments but still have bad tech.
And your threads are epic.

 

[deweydeucalion]

If one on one against an Akio guy I can and will take him down and beat up/submit.. and would be fucked if by myself against many.. I work security at concerts and have had to break up mass fights and brawls. I'm well aware if the dynamics

I would like an actual example of Akio or Krav Maga working against multiple attackers jumping someone too... not disciples giving sensai exactly what needs

So this is not exactly what you asked for but I think this guy does a good job explaining how he uses Aikido.
To clarify, I don't use Aikido. Too many wrist locks for my me.

 

[fanboysareevil]

X is not what people called Vale Tudo guard. De La Riva is. That and an open scissor type position, depending on the era and who you ask.

 

[jack36767]

So this is not exactly what you asked for but I think this guy does a good job explaining how he uses Aikido.
To clarify, I don't use Aikido. Too many wrist locks for my me.

Actual evidence not a speech or "demonstration

 

[Knock Out Ned]

I would say the same leg that the x player is reaching for is the leg that will be stomping the face. Remember how x guard is achieved, it's not like the other guy is jumping into x. Do you know another way to get x besides the butt scoot? I want more awesome tech not less, so if x rocks I'm on board. Post a vid or explain if would please.

Zanky posted a gif of the GOAT using it against Diaz. Didn't you see that?

 

[deweydeucalion]

Sure you can use x guard in MMA. McGregor, the GOAT, used it quite effectively, his one slick grappling move.

If you think you can sit around efficiently punching somebody in x guard, you've never been in x guard. Your balance is horribly compromised. It's not a position where you have the luxury of swinging heavy punches from. It's like trying to punch somebody while riding a unicycle; yes, it can be done, if you are really good at riding a unicycle, but no, you aren't going to be KO'ing good fighters from there. At best you are going to be swatting/cuffing them with arm strikes, as Diaz does against the GOAT.

I stand corrected. Thanks

 

[deweydeucalion]

Actual evidence not a speech or "demonstration

Don't have video of Aikido combat. Have you ever used standing joint locks in a fight?

 

[Chungungo]

Hey, the chokes may come from judo, but the leverage is an invention by Helio, so those guy are indirectly jiujitzeros either they admit it or not...

And Kimura was a 2 meter tall monster haha
I´m happy for Travis, he looks as a nice guy but honestly that hanging Tani otoshi is something that many newbies do and sometimes hurt their partners with it , is hard to do it against good guys like that russian-

 

[yetanother]

I think that it is 1 of the many bjj tech that moves it away from being a martial art.

Good, martial arts suck.

 

[cms9690]

In my opinion bjj is judo, just with different rules.

What? No wayyyyy!

 

[yetanother]

The question is whether training/competing bjj is where he got his *level of technique* from.

His ground worked seems to have improved a lot after he got really good at BJJ.
Travis claims that he keeps his BJJ and judo technique separate and he doesn't try to use judo at bjj and bjj at judo (he even pulls guard almost always in bjj competition).

 

[JenStark]

Travis shoud crosstrain more sombo and dela hiva

 

[Bayonet]

Yes he is using judo but he got all the way to the finals using guard passes to pins and Bow and arrow chokes. Do you see the future of American/Brazilian judo being populated by bjj players? I do.

All of those things are part of standard judo newaza, and Stevens isn't the first newaza specialist judo had seen.

I do see more cross training occurring in countries that aren't traditional judo powerhouses, but I don't think it'd be a game changer

 

[Gorbag]

What people tend to forget is how specific high level sport is so even if the finishing technique may be similar the setup and context is usually very different between judo and BJJ. So as already mentioned by others; Travis Stevens represent nothing really new to judo with his BJJ crosstraining and high level newaza skills has been seen before from tons of judoguys without any crosstraining at all.

Nice win from Stevens though, the Georgian guy was ahead on penalties and was faking attacks. He obviously got caught in the choke when trying to stand up;

 

[Uchi Mata]

in the 50/50 your opponent is on the ground too. The x player 1 is in the getting your a$$ kicked position lol. More like an mma app, I was thinking more like you cant use the x in any other sport (sombo, judo wrestling, mma, self defense) other than bjj. It looks like it's made for the butt flopper.

Do you know any good BJJ guys? You should put on the gloves, let him start in X guard, and see if you can punch him. Based on my own experience training with MMA fighters and use positions like X, I suspect you'll be on your butt long before you get a good shot in. Hell, put a heavy bag on the ground, stand above it in a wide split, and without being your knees try and see how hard you can hit it. It's not anything that's going to end a fight. Where positions like X are dangerous are if you don't enter them well and get your hooks collapsed you can get hurt. But you can get hurt if you mess up anything in MMA, X guard is no different.