Trash Talking Vs. Promos

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  1. Blackjack

    Blackjack Black Belt

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    I like actual promos and they serve the purpose of getting the people more interested in the fighter. Trash talking though is just that - trash. It's moronic to insult the abilities of your opponents. If you say they're "little girls" and can't fight , well if you beat them what have you really achieved? You beat someone you just told everyone was nothing more than a "little girl." If you lose, than you got beat by that "little girl" and that's even worse.

    A promo should serve the purpose of getting the people to know something about your personality and your philosophy on life in general and fighting specifically. An effective promo serves the purpose of causing the people to make an emotional investment in you. That makes them really care whether you win or lose. They may end up liking you or hating you depending on the reaction you are trying for, but if you do it properly, either way they'll pay to see you fight. They'll either be interested in seeing you fight because they don't like you and are hoping to see someone beat you, or if they like you, they'll pay to see you hopefully win.
     
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    Agree, but.....nevermind
     
  3. Tito’s Juice Box

    Tito’s Juice Box let's get smashed

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    Your talking about hardcore fans. The casuals want someone that talks shit and puts on a show in interviews. Someone that is only buying 2-3 ppv's a year isn't spending the time to get to know all the fighters, they see the guy that is saying a bunch of headline grabbing shit. They buy that guys ppv's because they think he's great, or because they can't stand him and want to see him lose.
     
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    No, I'm talking about all the fans. I wasn't trying to imply you shouldn't put on a show in your interviews. The greats have done that with intensity, flamboyance, and charisma. But to say something moronic such as Chael saying "Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck" is stupid because guess what? We all saw Chael get beat by someone he said isn't any good.

    So yes, I agree, try to get noticed whether its by being the most intense, the most charismatic, the most flamboyant, or by saying truly interesting things of value. Say things in an interesting way that will cause the fans to have an emotional investment in you, Whether positive or negative. An emotional investment means the fans will care more about the outcome of your fight. They'll get more excited about who is winning and who is losing. Either they pay money to see you win, or pay money hoping to see someone beat you.
     
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    leatherneck if not 4 disappointments, id have no appointments

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    the long text once was fine,

    the 2nd time skipped straight to your sig.

    odd signature.
     
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    This promo did it all for me. Best promo of all time. (timestamped)

     
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    I see what you're saying, but "emotional investment" isn't what sells tickets. They are trying to talk the shit that reaches the most people, whatever grabs headlines. If ESPN and other sport networks quote the ridiculous thing you say, that's what brings in money. Saying something that cuts deep into a guys soul on Joe Rogan's podcast might be a good way to fuck with your opponent, but it aint bringing in the main stream audience.
     
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    Wrong. An emotional investment absolutely seems tickets. If you've connected to the people in such a way that they love you, they will buy a ticket to see you hopefully win. If you've made the people hate you, they'll pay to see you hopefully get beaten. With no emotional investment, the people are indifferent to you. Whether you win or lose doesn't matter so why would they spend money on your fight? They don't care if you win or lose!
     
  9. Chain Saw

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    Its not so moronic when you consider the PPV buys it did.

    Chael didn't give a shit about looking stupid, all he cared about was promotion.

    Whether its stupid or not is irrelevant. Either way, when you talk that much shit about a guy like Anderson Silva, who was destroying people left and right at the time and looked invincible, its going to drum up interest. People are going to be like "Who the fuck is this guy? Is he serious? Why is he so confident?"
     
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    Tito’s Juice Box let's get smashed

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    I fuckin love MMA, but there is like 4 people that REALLY sell tickets. Conor, Ronda, GSP if he comes back and Brock Lesnar. Conor because of his crazy ass shit talk and he backs it up for the most part by knocking motherfuckers out, Ronda because she was the Woman Superman, GSP because of GOAT status and because they schedule his fights on non hockey nights and everyone in Canada buys it, and Brock because of WWE. Nobody else in the UFC is a draw or a big money fight, no matter what they say or do. I don't think anyone else other than those 4 have hit over a million PPV buys on a card they were the main event for. (I may be wrong on that, if so, not by much.) With an exception to Nunes/Tate because UFC 200.
     
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    In the short run, maybe it helped the PPV buys for that fight, but in the long run it hurt Sonnen's credibility. After he lost badly to Silva in the rematch, the fans never took him seriously again.
     
  12. Chain Saw

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    Well, it either works or doesn't. Its a high risk high reward thing.

    For McGregor, for example, it launched him into superstardom when he 1 punched Aldo after talking a tremendous amount of shit.
     
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    That's true. Unfortunately for them, they've lost GSP and Lesnar might not come back. That leaves just two - Conor and Ronda. They could really use a few more stars.
     
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