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well i'm training in BOXING soon i'll be training in MT as well....now i want to increase my power...

my trainer tells me to stay away from the wieghts....he tells me it will slow me down....etc...

now i'm still a newbie so forgive me....can PUSH UPS....PULL UPS...etc.....really increase my strength...?
 
Yea, stray into the Strength and power forum. But don't speak unless spoken to, or until you've read the FAQ a few times.

That place has a ton of good info and knowledgable people as well.
 
Can't go wrong with plyometrics. pushups WILL make you stronger. try variations of pushups. judo pushups, widegrip pushups, etc. bodyweight squats too perhaps. Lots of abdominal work. the power is in the core
 
Prophetic~Poet said:
well i'm training in BOXING soon i'll be training in MT as well....now i want to increase my power...

my trainer tells me to stay away from the wieghts....he tells me it will slow me down....etc...

now i'm still a newbie so forgive me....can PUSH UPS....PULL UPS...etc.....really increase my strength...?
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ABSOLUTELY! You can add plyometric components to all these which will increase the effect also.
 
RandomXMAN said:
Lifting will not slow you down - that is a myth.

Lift Heavy and Lift Hard, Eat Right, And Run Your Ass Off


http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=436935

Q: Won’t lifting heavy things make me really slow and inflexible?

A: NO! This is an ancient piece of nonsense that seems to never die, weights will actually make you quicker and if allied with a good stretching program will actually make you more flexible.


Read the whole thing there is alot of info in here that will help you.
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I read that myth quite a bit when referencing through Muay Thai training and conditioning. I was reading a fairly new book Muay Thai Unleashed (easy read) and they were basically claiming the same thing. I think some of their training methods are not up to date or they might not have access to barbells and squat racks in Bangkok, but a lot of it is tradition via body weight exercises. Also, power lifting can be taxing on the CNS and Golgi tendon organ (sensory mechanism) with all the conditioning they do including power lifting as well might be detrimental to their routines, but for the modern fighter I don't think so. It is going to help improve explosive strength if that is what you train for. Body weight exercises have their place too.
 
Rudy Richter said:
I disagree... I used to powerlift and that shit does not mix well with striking. Weights are good to an extent (and better to do some than not at all), but excersizes like push ups dips and pull ups(even squats at high reps) are much better suited for striking sports. I don't do any less than 20 reps now when I lift actual weights. Keep in mind that I am not talking grappling here but pure striking.
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You competed in powerlifting and muay thai at the same time?
 
Prodigal Son said:
I read that myth quite a bit when referencing through Muay Thai training and conditioning. I was reading a fairly new book Muay Thai Unleashed (easy read) and they were basically claiming the same thing. I think some of their training methods are not up to date or they might not have access to barbells and squat racks in Bangkok, but a lot of it is tradition via body weight exercises. Also, power lifting can be taxing on the CNS and Golgi tendon organ (sensory mechanism) with all the conditioning they do including power lifting as well might be detrimental to their routines, but for the modern fighter I don't think so. It is going to help improve explosive strength if that is what you train for. Body weight exercises have their place too.
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Of course I am a heavy believer in that you should have a healthy balance between heavy lifting strength and body wieght exercise strength
 
With any fighting, technique>strength. Strength can supplement your technique though. Don't ignore weights as long as you're doing proper lifts, such as deadlifts, squats, push press, cleans, etc.
 
Hit the bag... Great for shoulders.
 
Check out the conditioning forum for information on Ross Enamait. His methodolgy will make you rethink a lot of myths.
 
I train with guys who don't lift AT ALL, but they look like they do. They are in AMAZING shape, and I was completely shocked to hear that they just did calesthenics. Because of this reason, I would stay away from heavy weights. Why? well... if you look and perform like these guys without touching weights then it's pointless anyways... Why else? because I train with guys who DO lift weights, and it only takes a little mistake to cause some serious, life-long injuries, that may even keep you from ever competing again. Your body also adjusts to the demands placed on it over time naturally. If you happened to build a muscle with weights that threw off other muscles (I've done this before) you will have problems. The "antagonist" and "protagonist" muscles work as a unit and it is easy to throw everything off balance if one was strengthened without the other. Lifting weights in no way means your strikes will be more powerful, as it is just as much technique combined with your mind.

As far as Muay Thai fighters lifting... I don't think that book is wrong. MT fighters are all about lean, lean lean lean... and I highly doubt they would want the extra weight when their entire art is so focused on technique. I also highly doubt any books written out of Thailand should be taken lightly when you consider how HUGE MT is out there. It's practically a religion.
 
Kozma said:
You competed in powerlifting and muay thai at the same time?
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No I used to compete in powerlifting, and decided later that I wanted to fight. I realized quickly that I had to completely recondition my body. I am a firm believer that big muscled up guys 9 times out 10 are brutishly strong for 1 minute and very inefficient at using their bodies because they are tight as hell.

I used to be between 230-240lbs(not fat...fairly lean), and now I am down between 215-218(8-9% BF)lbs. I am 100% convinced that I can generate magnitudes more power for striking now than before partly due to better technique and partly because I am a lot more loose and explosive. I never lift weights before training because it makes you tight and inefficient. If anything I lift weights after training or on days that I don't train. I cut weights out at least one week prior if not two weeks prior to fights...I do continue to do push ups etc.

The thing to remember is that a strong bench or military press does not correlate to a stronger punch. I know 230 lbs guys that hit like girls and 160lbs guys that hit like freight trains for their size. I do think weights are good for tasking the body in different ways and building leg/core strength(which imo is the most important factor in striking power). Of course I try to make sure that my shoulders/tricep/foream are strong enough to deliver the power from my legs. The longer I do this(i am 36) the more my training resembles that of Ross Enimait(spelling?).
 
Your core, hips and legs are the most important muscle groups involving a powerful punch or kick. That is where every strike begins, so a strong bench press is not going to help your punching power at all.

I'm telling stick to things like squats and dl's if you're going to lift and train, and explosive lifts like cleans and snatches.
 
There is no general answer to that. That lifting can make you slower is NOT a myth, it is very possible. Because lifting<>lifting, the kind of lifting practiced mostly in gyms around the world benifits hypertrophy but does not benifit speed or striking/punching "power"(I hate the term, cause it's wrong, but is used here so whatever) and can be even counterproductive for these. There are also lifting methods that can improve speed and "power" through improving the "max force" and intra muscular coordination, speed and "max force" are very deeply connected. However they require experince and a physically well prepared body, because these methods are bond to injuries, since these include mostly explosively moving weights of 90%-100% of you maximal force or even working with weights of over 100% of your max force.
 
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