Training a featherweight to fight a heavyweight
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im gonna take a wild stab and guess; your a 145 lb athlete who is 5
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For an MMA fight? It depends on the opponent. I'd train the guy in whatever my opponent is weak at. But with a 60 lb. weight disadvantage, he'd probably get his butt handed to him. The average pro MMA fighter can throw combinations and defend, knows a few takedowns, and is at least a blue belt in BJJ. But with a weight disadvantage, I'd probably say my guy would have trouble taking the opponent down. If anything, my guy will get taken down by the opponent if he begins to win the striking battle.
I'd have my guy do a Keith Jardine type strategy of sticking and moving. For the ground, I'd have him work specifically on sweeps and getting back to the feet. That way, the strategy is to try to win the standup battle. If he loses it or gets rocked, he'll be on the ground via guard pull or getting rocked. From there he has to try to work to get on top, where hopefully he has a better submission game.
In the street? It's tough to say. But a 300 lb. guy trying to fight a 145 lb. guy might have the mentality of bum-rushing. Again, stick and move is a better idea. If it hits the ground, he has to know how to sweep and get away. Pulling guard is dangerous... Plus, who knows if there's anyone around.
So yeah... all in all... A guy needs to know how to avoid damage and sweep opponents.
I'd have my guy do a Keith Jardine type strategy of sticking and moving. For the ground, I'd have him work specifically on sweeps and getting back to the feet. That way, the strategy is to try to win the standup battle. If he loses it or gets rocked, he'll be on the ground via guard pull or getting rocked. From there he has to try to work to get on top, where hopefully he has a better submission game.
In the street? It's tough to say. But a 300 lb. guy trying to fight a 145 lb. guy might have the mentality of bum-rushing. Again, stick and move is a better idea. If it hits the ground, he has to know how to sweep and get away. Pulling guard is dangerous... Plus, who knows if there's anyone around.
So yeah... all in all... A guy needs to know how to avoid damage and sweep opponents.
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lol thats probably about it
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I'm no striker but for the striking part I'd probably go with Muay Thai and have him learn to chop at the legs.
For groundfighting, I'd have him drill guard and half guard sweeps. And I'd have him learn how to control from the top. Many lightweight guys who are high level feel like wet blankets when they get side mount and mount on bigger dudes. Guys will gas themselves trying to escape from the mount and small guy has the advantage. Having had to roll with a dude who has 100 pounds on me, launching offense from guard/half guard was real hard. It became a lot easier for me to mount offense when I started focusing on escaping/sweeps/taking the back rather than doing those things while also trying for offensive moves.
I'm a nub so this is just opinion.
For groundfighting, I'd have him drill guard and half guard sweeps. And I'd have him learn how to control from the top. Many lightweight guys who are high level feel like wet blankets when they get side mount and mount on bigger dudes. Guys will gas themselves trying to escape from the mount and small guy has the advantage. Having had to roll with a dude who has 100 pounds on me, launching offense from guard/half guard was real hard. It became a lot easier for me to mount offense when I started focusing on escaping/sweeps/taking the back rather than doing those things while also trying for offensive moves.
I'm a nub so this is just opinion.
You have to develop a strategy to capitalize on your strenghts and his weaknesses. Generally speaking the smaller fighter has the potential for better conditioning. You have to have the right mental approach to realize that alot of things are not going to work well early on in a fight against a larger opponet. It's fine to look for the finish early but you have to understand that the better strategy is proabably to drag him into deep waters. Generally speaking the smaller fighter is going to be faster.
If you asking about grappling techniques in particular then I would proabably look to get his back and finish via RNC. If you have the takedown skills or sweeps to end up on top then that definetly a better place to be against a larger opponet. When you ar eon you back you definetly want more of a mobility based game even if thats not what you do typically. Leg/ankle locks are great equalizers also..it pretty hard to muscle out of a heel look or toe hold. The leg locks do come with some risk of getting smashed if you are not good with you transitions.
There is more to it than that but there is some general strategy for you.
If you asking about grappling techniques in particular then I would proabably look to get his back and finish via RNC. If you have the takedown skills or sweeps to end up on top then that definetly a better place to be against a larger opponet. When you ar eon you back you definetly want more of a mobility based game even if thats not what you do typically. Leg/ankle locks are great equalizers also..it pretty hard to muscle out of a heel look or toe hold. The leg locks do come with some risk of getting smashed if you are not good with you transitions.
There is more to it than that but there is some general strategy for you.
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MMA fight :
1. Time their initial rush/shot with a powerful rear uppercut. Then throw multiple shots to the solar plexus (this is perfectly legal in MMA).
2. Work on slipping punches, head movement, and working from inferior positions. Despite what people say about HW's gassing faster I personally want to end the fight quickly before they can re-act or even have a slight chance to counter.
3. Leg trips or worst case scenario an inside leg trip. Put them on their back. Shooting wouldn't be a good idea unless you have extremely power legs (I do but for the sake of the argument you don't :icon_lol
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4. Elbow solar plexus , and keep a good base. Go for the heel hook with full intention of breaking the heel. Most MMA fighters do not know how to defend a proper leg lock.
Or just try your best to armdrag and take the back Marcelo style. And/or rolling leg locks like Imanari does :icon_twis
Street Fight:
1. I can not stress enough how important good head movement and the ability to slip a punch is. For the most part your enemy will throw punches probably a right hand.
2. Two options keep your distance and pick him apart. By pick him apart I mean kick him in the jewels, or try to stop kick him in the knee (this might break his knee cap). Or Put the aggression on him slip and move forward go to Town to the solar plexus/body. Follow by an overhand to the top.
3. Most likely he will rush you once again you can probably time this and land a devastating uppercut or a left hook .
4. Run away as fast and far as possible. Always assume he has friends and/or a weapon.
5. If you are sure he does not have any friends clinch with him this will prevent him from drawing any weapons. Proceed to knee him in the jewels as many times as possibly while trying to obtain double underhooks.
6. Take him down , dominate him on the ground. Go for the choke you can choke people with a t-shirt ya know.
7. From here I strongly suggest running away but it's up to you. Do you want to be there and get in trouble with the police ? If you break his arm/leg will you get over it?
8. A drunk could kill you, or maybe a group of thugs did a little too much stomping to your body while you lay there motionless.
I treat any confrontation in the street as a possibility of death. It's best to keep this in mind because people do stupid things and we live in a very disgusting world.
In self defense/on the street it's best to always have the upper hand. Weight classes exist for a reason like you said and the same applies to weapons. And used your common sense most of the time fights can be avoided. Don't forget you can always run.
Whew that was long.
1. Time their initial rush/shot with a powerful rear uppercut. Then throw multiple shots to the solar plexus (this is perfectly legal in MMA).
2. Work on slipping punches, head movement, and working from inferior positions. Despite what people say about HW's gassing faster I personally want to end the fight quickly before they can re-act or even have a slight chance to counter.
3. Leg trips or worst case scenario an inside leg trip. Put them on their back. Shooting wouldn't be a good idea unless you have extremely power legs (I do but for the sake of the argument you don't :icon_lol
. 4. Elbow solar plexus , and keep a good base. Go for the heel hook with full intention of breaking the heel. Most MMA fighters do not know how to defend a proper leg lock.
Or just try your best to armdrag and take the back Marcelo style. And/or rolling leg locks like Imanari does :icon_twis
Street Fight:
1. I can not stress enough how important good head movement and the ability to slip a punch is. For the most part your enemy will throw punches probably a right hand.
2. Two options keep your distance and pick him apart. By pick him apart I mean kick him in the jewels, or try to stop kick him in the knee (this might break his knee cap). Or Put the aggression on him slip and move forward go to Town to the solar plexus/body. Follow by an overhand to the top.
3. Most likely he will rush you once again you can probably time this and land a devastating uppercut or a left hook .
4. Run away as fast and far as possible. Always assume he has friends and/or a weapon.
5. If you are sure he does not have any friends clinch with him this will prevent him from drawing any weapons. Proceed to knee him in the jewels as many times as possibly while trying to obtain double underhooks.
6. Take him down , dominate him on the ground. Go for the choke you can choke people with a t-shirt ya know.
7. From here I strongly suggest running away but it's up to you. Do you want to be there and get in trouble with the police ? If you break his arm/leg will you get over it?
8. A drunk could kill you, or maybe a group of thugs did a little too much stomping to your body while you lay there motionless.
I treat any confrontation in the street as a possibility of death. It's best to keep this in mind because people do stupid things and we live in a very disgusting world.
In self defense/on the street it's best to always have the upper hand. Weight classes exist for a reason like you said and the same applies to weapons. And used your common sense most of the time fights can be avoided. Don't forget you can always run.
Whew that was long.
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i don't see how i wouldn't break my wrist if i hit someone open handed.
To be honest, it was a stupid question/scenario.
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try to make him as much like marcelo garcia as possible, taking the back from all angles, if you give a bg guy(especially one who knows what he's doing) the chance to put his weight on you, you're fucked.
and yeah get him on the juice.
and yeah get him on the juice.
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why is half of this thread suggesting the guy roids?
i'm 135, skinny as all hell. you wanna tell me i can't submit a bigger guy unless i stick a needle up my ass twice a day? the grappling forum is saying this? really?!
i'm 135, skinny as all hell. you wanna tell me i can't submit a bigger guy unless i stick a needle up my ass twice a day? the grappling forum is saying this? really?!
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