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International Tragedy at sea claims 31 lives in deadliest day of Channel crisis

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by panem-et-circenses, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. aries Gold Belt

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    It's against human rights according to the EU, and the UK is even worse/better (depending on your perspective) with human rights.
     
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  2. Yehudim Brown Belt

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    Is that relatively recent rule ?
     
  3. aries Gold Belt

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    @Canned Tuna
    The EU don't look favourably on refugees who have entered irregularly in terms of granting asylum, not compared to the UK, which is why we are looking to change the UK law to mirror the EU's. So yes refugees can claim asylum in the EU BUT if they entered irregularly then their chances of being granted asylum are very low. And the Dublin regulation means that countries in the EU can deport asylum seekers to the country of entry BUT it's not legally binding. Meaning the asylum seeker can just leave and carry on to their preferred destination country. So it's just buying time. BUT the UK because it has left the EU can't do that. So once they get to Britain we can't do anything about it.

    https://www.ein.org.uk/blog/uk-asylum-policy-after-brexit
     
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  4. ICHEERTHEBULL Black Belt

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    No. There were amendments made for the 2015 crisis to allow Asylum seekers to apply elsewhere (to allow other EU countries to share the burden so to speak) but I believe that’s been abolished.
     
  5. Armbars Innate Immunity Belt

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    Everyone gives UK stick for Brexit and says we're a shit place but deep down everyone knows Europe is a cesspit and the UK is a far more attractive and better place to be. Even migrants risk their life to get out of France, what a trash place.

    RIP.
     
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  6. Bald1 War Room Can

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    Nope. It just wasn't always enforced. I watched riots in Italy on Hungarian TV when they started fingerprinting their boat people. Crickets on western media though.
     
  7. Bacco Gold Belt

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    UK does'nt want them
    France does'nt want them
    Decent amount of euro countries don't want them
    But nobody seems to just say it and find together a solution to don't let them leave Africa to invade Europe

    And while at it, rescue at sea laws should be changed so intentional illegal invasion does'nt get threated as random boat having problems, let alone be rewarded of it's original purpose by letting these people put foot on land, with all rights that come with it

    Regardless the opinion one may have on Gheddafi, he worked as a gate and as soon he died, the gate got open (thanks france/obama)

    The longer uk/france/randomeuros keep think mediterranean sea is an italian only problem, the longer they will get invaded
    (same shit as Germany not supporting eastern euros wanting compact front)

    Most of these people don't want to stop here, and if France does'nt care who reach us, we have no reason to don't let them go through, reach northwest border and jump in France

    But all of this is fantasy world where european leaders actually want to stop the wave
    Next decades will chose the direction of the continent
     
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  8. Bald1 War Room Can

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    Time to join the V4. Italy and Austria don't want none of this after all.
     
  9. shankmcgank Beep/Boop/Bop

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    Says the retard who doesn't even know what a strawman is.

    Hot damn are you both stupid and boring.

    Try harder.
     
  10. Dalarna3 Purple Belt

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    Where’s the Royal Navy when you need them?
     
  11. Bacco Gold Belt

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    Meloni would do it, but example Draghi would not do actively do something to take distance from EU main path

    And as funny may sound Italy is too important nation for EU to let it build up antiEU shit, see that Italy's last elected government with Salvini(years ago at this point) got boycotted by a combination of eu/italian left into fall

    I understand V4 point but reality is nothing really effective will happen till the day the true main powers of the union (germany and france) will do a 180 and support the idea of europe as something that need to start push back

    But from where they got themselves would be a looooong difficult U turn and i'm not sure they did'nt already crossed the non return line (france in particular)

    Plus people ever speak about defend borders but that is half of the job, rest would be work as a region (super)power to pressure origin countries to take them back and agreements with north african coast nation to do operations of containment (something we used to have)

    Again i understand V4 point of view, but a change to be real needs to start where the power is

    EU have lot of potential, but fail to act as and hand that have the strenght of all combined nations, because the people and ideologies that are currently running it
     
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