TPP Not Only Trade, 83% Is Fascists Controlling Our Daily Lives -Assange

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  1. Hans Gruber

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    Some notes

    -Only 5 of the 29 chapters are about trade

    - The others are about regulating the internet, labor, banking services, and health care.

    -Internet service providers have to collect information; they have to hand it over to companies under certain circumstances.

    -A little about regulating labor- What labor conditions can be applied, regulating whether you can favor a local industry.

    -Putting it in a treaty form with 14 other countries so it would be very hard to overturn even if we end up wanting to

    -Only Multinational companies get the right to sue the US government for expected losses. US companies would not have that right. Even in cases that are won the average paid defense per lawsuit is 10 million dollars

    - It isn't classified but Congressmen are only able to go into a room to look at it and hand over any notes that they take on it.
     
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    a free trade agreement should fit on a napkin with how brief if should be
     
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    While Trump is out here being a big ol meanie Hillary Clinton is working toward robbing us of our freedoms and liberties all the while collecting millions for herself.

    I'll take the big meanie for 500 Alex.
     
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    Hillary Clinton's platform is anti-TPP, not that there's anything of substance here. Just Hans desperately pretending some scandal is uncovered.

    Wikileaks is so boring these days.
     
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    I'm sure she is against TPP...

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    Ooookay, Julian. Whatever you're doing, stop, and please commit suicide instead.
     
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    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...illary-clinton-really-said-about-tpp-and-gol/

    Im starting to wonder how much a sherdog mod would get paid to shill.. must be decently lucrative

    Took me a good second to get the joke, lol

    Jason bourne incoming
     
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    Been wondering that for a while. Also Hillary has lied so much and told so many untruths at this point why does anyone waste their time referencing what she says or what positions shes takes? We all know her words mean literally nothing.
     
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    Well, we really DO need to analyze this stuff and judge how it impacts our countries and interests more carefully.
     
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    Hillary is a smart politician. She will trash TPP during the debates forcing Trump to attack her, making him look like an even bigger asshole.
     
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    Ah, yes, a "shill". There it is again. The red scare reborn.

    Nah, just can't stand dumb fuck Trump and his even dumber fuck supporters. I'm well on the record in this forum (check the old Bernie vs. Hillary meme debates), but Clinton has flip-flopped, consummate populist flip-flopper that she is, and her platform is now anti-TPP. Even her VP pick had to flip-flop on that upon accepting her ticket slot. Thar article is from October 2015, derp. Meanwhile, as has already been pointed out today, Trump's own VP is pro-TPP.

    I'm curious to see if Trump ever made any public statements against the TPP before April 2015 when he was fueling up his Presidential bid. Was he out there going to bat for the little guy in 2010 when Citizens United passed, or was he curled up in his tower with his golden phone probably ranting about all the OWS grime outside his gorgeous buildings? He's every bit the political whore that Clinton is, but you guys are just too dense to see it. The difference is he's a nincompoop with no knowledge, terrible organization, and no competence to do anything about it. When running his mouth saying stupid controversial shit doesn't work (the Kanye West approach!) he's got nothing else. No tricks in his bag.

    True sign of an idiot
     
  15. Jack V Savage

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    Contrary to what Hans said, you can find the entire text online.

    And, yeah, from the start, it hasn't been only about trade, which is why people trying to discredit it by saying that trade deals are bad have been dishonest (or one reason).

    Given that most Americans support it, and both major parties oppose it, I'd think the nutters here would see opposition to it as evil or something, but that assumes that nutters are logical and believe what they say...
     
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    There aren't enough educated, technocratically minded liberals to win elections. So getting good policy requires forming a coalition with people you don't agree with. On this issue, Clinton isn't making a smart political move--she's lining up with loony lefties rather than smart moderate conservatives (both of whom are gettable for her) because she appears to really prefer them. Again, a majority of Americans like the deal.
     
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    A majority of Americans like a deal that they haven't read?

    Yea, that sounds about right. It's the wrong approach. We should be skeptical about deals before we read them.
     
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    The majority of Americans don't read any bills. I certainly don't. You know what they're about and read analysis that could point to weaknesses. I actually read a bit of the TPP (as I mentioned, it's all online) because I've seen a lot of craziness about it that I checked on, but that's unusual.

    https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text
     
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    Lol ok

    Anything but admit you were wrong to say hillary opposed tpp without mentioning her previous gold standard comment. You have zero credibility
     
  20. Madmick

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    Because I wasn't wrong. I was being nice. Oh, look, Politifact!
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
    You gonna admit you were wrong about Hillary, now, or do you prefer to have zero credibility by your own criterion? Be a good girl and lick it off.
     

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