"Total Jiu jitsu" by Cesar Gracie

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  1. Cash Bill 52

    Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    I'm not sure if you guys have seen this article before. Cesar addresses some of the issues that have been discussed here lately. I like to think that Cesar is promoting the concepts laid out by one of his idols; Rolls.

    Total Jiujitsu
    By Cesar Gracie

    What is the fundamental concept of jiu-jitsu? Is it the embodiment of an academy that trains strictly for the glory of victory at a tournament? Some would think it's the doctrine of a school that trains solely for victory in the cage or ring, at the expense of negating all other elements, including self defense and gi training.

    Monetary issues seem to play a key role on where a school places its direction and philosophical leanings. If the jiu-jitsu instructor's forte is in gi competitions, you can expect that his student base will follow his lead. The same applies to gi-less submission fighting and MMA. If a school focuses all of it
     
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    SuperSuperRambo Senior Moderator Senior Moderator

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    Interesting stuff. I've always have a ton of respect for Cesar and his teaching abilities. He's produced students that are world class in both sport and MMA.

    I wonder who he has in mind, or what academies he's talking about with this "total jiu jitsu" thing. Like, I wonder what he's been observing that suggests this is a trend.
     
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    Cojofl Brown Belt

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    Nice read. This is, to an extent, what Rickson was talking about in that 30% article,
     
  4. Wrestleben

    Wrestleben Brown Belt

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    Very cool, thanks for sharing.
     
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    curb1850 Green Belt

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    Great read, thanks for sharing.
     
  6. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    Man, you have no idea how relieving it is (for me, a fan of "complete jiu jitsu ) to read an article like that.
     
  7. Cash Bill 52

    Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    Well, I know that he had a fall out with different family members over the years. I try to avoid all the politics. I am just glad that I have access to a smorgasbord of strategies, techniques, philosophies, training partners and instructors.
     
  8. Cash Bill 52

    Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    Cool, man. I am glad. Our school is filled with wrestlers, boxers, and Muay thai guys. I try to learn form all of them.

    I was told that "jujitsu" once encompassed all fighting systems. I think our school is heading that way. Jake Shields calls his style, "American Jiu jitsu". It makes sense to me. The sport/art/self defense system must evolve to stay relevant.
     
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    SuperSuperRambo Senior Moderator Senior Moderator

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    The beauty of BJJ is that it always has. From Maeda's judo, to the jiu jitsu that the original Gracie brothers practices, to the wrestling and sambo that Rolls introduced, to the modern hybrid style of bjj where practitioners train elements of wrestling, judo, etc, as parts of the bjj curriculum. BJJ's roots are as a hybrid, evolving grappling art, incorporating what works and discarding what doesn't.
     
  10. Cash Bill 52

    Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    I think this is an important part of bjj history that everyone should know. Is this in the FAQ? I think it should be.

    Bruce Lee would be proud!:icon_chee
     
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    SamuraiBlack Orange Belt

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    Great read, I'm on board with the Total Jiu Jitsu concept.
     
  12. teamcarvalho

    teamcarvalho Green Belt

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    We are starting to see more and more threads on this type of topic....I am glad:D
     
  13. JNick

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    Wise man.
     
  14. Cash Bill 52

    Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    I had a feeling you would like it...

    We needed to upgrade the level of threads here!
     
  15. Mike Piekarski

    Mike Piekarski Blue Belt Professional Fighter

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    Very cool that Cesar Gracie has such an open mind. This explains the success of his fighters.
     
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    Cesar is turning BJJ into Jeet Kune Do
     
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    man I really respect his stand and philosophy to BJJ.

    He's got ball to go out on his own and ignore all the politics. This is why im not the biggest fan whole "Gracie family" at large. At times it seems all their family "rivalry" is more about it's more about oneupmanship and ego rather than teaching students BJJ.

    This is why I really have respect for the ones who go out on their own to teach.. eg Calson, Rickson, Ceasar, Relson.. and not hide behind a 'franchised company logo.'



    I've always thought why only Gi OR no Gi??? -why not both? .. Why can't you do self defense AND Sports BJJ. Your lucky to go to school that like T/S
     
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    Il Wop-O Green Belt

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    I had the pleasure of talking to Dino Costeas (Andrei Arlovski's BJJ coach/BB) at a Strikeforce weigh-ins - we talked about youth BJJ programs and how these kids are starting out learning EVERYTHING - BJJ, Judo, Greco-Roman, freestyle, many also learn boxing & muay thai - I personally think/hope that within a generation we will see the re-unification of the grappling arts to some extent, we will once again have "wrestling" as it was understood by the pre-Alexandrian Greeks.

    It's very exciting!
     
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    gasmotorsports Orange Belt

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    As others have said thank you for a genuine, informative thread
     
  20. -Montanha-

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    Personally I think there was some luck involved here. Sure Cesar was influenced greatly by his Uncle Carlson[Total Jiu-jitsu]. But consider this. What if when he first opened his doors, and all that showed up were grappler types that show up to academies looking to roll and just learn Jiu-jitsu.

    Cesar was the first Nor Cal academy back then. The only guys who even had Jiu-jitsu on their "Radar" were already martial artists and fighters back then. He had to accommodate us to keep every body interested. Steve Heath and his buddy Carlton would roll with sticks and practice knives. I introduced the first Cali instructor to the academy and we now have regular knife and stick fighting classes a couple of nights a week.

    Cesar brought in Ralph and Ryan. Now there are a couple of scrappers. Total Jiu-jitsu, in my opinion was able to grow, greatly in part because of "who" showed up in those early days. Cesar didnt have to push his ideas, he had to bust his butt to stay ahead of and keep guys interested and growing. Gi jiu-jitsu was not enough for our bunch.

    There is something in the water here in Nor Cal. The right instructor came along to provide a place for the right bunch of guys at the right time. Its been a Team effort from day one.

    BTW, if Cesar didnt know something, he was right in there picking it up too. Wrestling, Judo, Sambo, Boxing or Muay Thai. Every body came.

    Stockton, Santa Rosa, San Francisco, San Jose and other places provided crazies for that first bunch of classes in the little strip mall store with wall to wall mats. Many instructors today in all those towns are related from those first meetings/classes where guys drove miles and said "Wow", this jiu-jitsu is the shit..............but what if we add this too?




    Iron sharpens Iron.
     

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