Top 4 LHWs vs Top 4 HWs

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  1. Degen Gambler

    Degen Gambler Silver Belt

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    If every top 4 heavyweight were to fight every top 4 light heavyweight which group would have more wins?

    Essentially everyone of these guys:

    1. Jones
    2. Cormier
    3. Gus
    4. Rumble

    fights every one of these guys:

    1. Cain
    2. Werdum
    3. JDS
    4. Travis Browne

    I think Travis Brown goes 0-4. Werdum likely goes 0-4 or 1-3 (if he can take Gus down). JDS would be lucky to go 2-2. Cain may be able to run the table but Jones and Cormier would be tough for him. It looks to me like LHW is tougher than HW. What do you think?

    * all fights are at HW so no weight cutting.
     
  2. Weuylf

    Weuylf Life is Hard

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    Jones 2-2
    DC 3-1
    Gus 2-2
    Rumble ??

    Cain 4-0
    JDS 3-1
    Werdum 2-2
    Browne ??
     
  3. Milgrim

    Milgrim Australopithecus - not your average hominid Platinum Member

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    Jones 2-2
    DC 2-2
    Gus 1-3
    Rumble 0-4

    Cain 4-0
    JDS 3-1
    Werdum 3-1
    Browne 1-3
     
  4. DoUEvenLiftBro

    DoUEvenLiftBro Brown Belt

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    Good thread. I definitely think LHW has the more skilled fighters at the top. However, it's hard to overlook just how much size seems to matter. Look at guys like Mitrione and Browne. They have no real skill other than they are athletic. Yet, they find themselves routinely winning by KO/TKO in the first round because it just takes one good shot. Browne's size and takedown defense might be too much for any LHW. I think a guy like Werdum wouldn't do well at LHW, since he doesn't possess big power. But if he got on top of Rumble or Gus, which are certainly possible given his size advantage and tricky takedowns, game over.

    Cain beats everyone
    JDS beats everyone
    Browne might lose to everyone or beat everyone. Hard to say
    Werdum loses to Jones and Cormier. Might beat Gus and Rumble

    I'm real excited about Cormier-Jones this week. In my head, I don't think Cormier is as good as people believe, but I'd be glad to be proven wrong. I just don't think he could grind down a guy like JDS before getting tagged with something meaningful.
     
  5. StankyPecker

    StankyPecker Yellow Belt

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    Solid thread, a lot of EXTREMELY fun match ups there.

    Jones 1-3, I LOVE the Werdum fight, I actually think Werdum takes it.
    Cormier 3-1 I think Cain beats him
    Gus 1-3
    Rumbe 1-3 I think both guys would beat Browne.

    Cain 4-0
    Wedum 3-1
    JDS 3-1 knocks everyone out but Cormier IMO
    Browne 0-4
     
  6. El Hombre

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    Both Rumble and Browne would therefore have to be 0-4.
     
  7. Degen Gambler

    Degen Gambler Silver Belt

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    Pretty hard for that to happen since one of the fights is Rumble vs Brown.
     
  8. El Hombre

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    :icon_lol:
     
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    It would also be fun to see who could add some solid mass. If Jones had the time to bulk up to 260 ripped
     
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    Jones: 2-2 (Beating Werdum and Browne. Possible 3-1 with how vulnerable JDS looked last fight)
    Cormier: 3-1 (beating all but Cain)
    Gus: 1-3 (beating Browne)
    Rumble: 1-3 (beating Browne)

    Cain: 4-0
    Werdum: 2-2 (Beating Gus and Rumble)
    JDS: 3-1 (Loses to DC, and possibly 2-2 to Jones given the Stipe fight)
    Travis Browne: 0-4
     
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    Boom. Logic'd
     
  12. John Wayne Gacy

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    haha hilarious awful picks by TS.

    Cain beats them all
    JDS beats them all (would be close with only Jones)
    Werdum beats them all and would be close with Jones
    Travis Browne probably beats them all and be close with Jones.
     
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    What was the old gym stories at Jacksons of Travis Browne owning Jones in training every time they sparred.
     
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    Pancake Sprawl WAR IGOR!!!11

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    It's an interesting thought exercise for speculation.
    For the HWs, I'd say they minimally go 3-0-1, 1-3, 3-1, 0-4, meaning essentially even. And I'm probably underselling Werdum and Browne.

    However, comparing a couple guys from the extreme edge of the division is a terrible way to compare divisions. Take a look at 5-15 vs 5-15, for example, and see how LHW compares vs HW there.
     
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    I'm with this guy.

    If it was so easy to go to HW and win I think guys would do it.

    Look at Rumble, he couldn't even knockout Arlovski, who has been mocked for years about having a glass jaw. But Rumble completely annihilated Lil Nog who only lost by KO once before he met Johnson in the cage.
     
  17. cade187

    cade187 I'm not a part of your system.

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    In the immortal words of Mos Def:

    "It's a numbers game, but shit don't add up somehow."

    Anyway, here's my thoughts:

    Jones 2-2
    DC 3-1 loses to Cain
    Gus 1-3
    Rumble 1-3

    Cain 4-0
    JDS 2-2
    Werdum 3-1 loses to DC
    Browne 0-4
     
  18. MuayThaiBX

    MuayThaiBX Black Belt

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    This. Jones may put up a decent fight with the HWs but other than than I think the top HW's squash the top LHW's unless the HW are forced to cut massive weight.
     
  19. D1wrestla

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    Jones: 3-1
    DC: 3-1
    Gus: 1-3
    Rumble: 1-3

    Cain: 4-0
    JDS: 2-2
    Werdum: 2-2
    Browne: 0-4
     

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