Social To the democratic socialists; do you agree if someone is actually just lazy, they shouldn’t get benefits?

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The average work week for employees in the U.S. is approximately 34.3 hours as of mid-2025.

The average work week in Europe, considering both full-time and part-time workers, is around 36 hours.

Oh dear.

Did you let AI answer that for you based on sources you didn't interrogate?


The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls edged down by 0.1 hour to 34.2 hours in June 2025, compared to market estimates of 34.3 hours.​



In 2024, the actual weekly hours of work for both full-time and part-time workers aged 20-64 in the EU in their main job averaged 36.0 hours, down from 37.0 hours in 2014.


The latter EU figure includes agriculture, whereas the source AI lazily settled on doesn't.

Sadly, workers in the US work far more hours than those in Europe.


Y'all work more than 40 hours a week on average, NOT 34.
 
Any system will be taken advantage of by some people, it's better to provide a safety net for all, but I'm not averse to those on welfare, as long as they are in good health, volunteering or carrying out community employment in exchange for benefits. We have a system in Ireland that does exactly this. People in receipt of benefits have to work a minimum of 19 hrs per week in community employment schemes for welfare payments roughly equalling half a weeks pay. They are supervised like any other employee, and have the option of training courses to further their skills and job prospects.
I bet the system for demonstrating such action isn't as onerous as what's being done in the US. Check out the most recent episode of the John Oliver show, This Week Tonight, wherein he details the ridiculous lengths they're going to, particularly in Georgia, to kick people off of benefits who are in desperate need of them.

This one physician said she has patients for whom she has to mark A for am and P for pm to help remind them when to take their meds and these same people are required to obtain access to the internet and upload documents to prove their need, which is beyond their capabilities, so they just don't.
 
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Oh dear.

Did you let AI answer that for you based on sources you didn't interrogate?


The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls edged down by 0.1 hour to 34.2 hours in June 2025, compared to market estimates of 34.3 hours.​



In 2024, the actual weekly hours of work for both full-time and part-time workers aged 20-64 in the EU in their main job averaged 36.0 hours, down from 37.0 hours in 2014.

The latter EU figure includes agriculture, whereas the source AI lazily settled on doesn't.

Sadly, workers in the US work far more hours than those in Europe.


Y'all work more than 40 hours a week on average, NOT 34.
Nothing you posted claims the US average is over 40 hours, and your last source that gives yearly hours averages out to even lower at 33.65 hrs/week, and just says Germans work the least. The ILO report just takes the total number of hours worked divided by the employed people. This obviously lowers Germany's "average" since over 30% of their workforce are part time workers, compared to the US at like 16%, and only 1.2% of Germany's workforce are in agriculture, so that isn't going to move the average at all. The US GDP per capita is also nearly $90k, while Germany is at $53k and France is at $46k.
 
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@Siver! concession accepted with the old nervous laughter after your claim falls apart. Did you really think German's only work 25 hours/week?

{<jordan}

To be honest, I wasn't sure you were being serious, if it was worth responding, or what...?

I've never seen ANYONE try to claim Americans work fewer hours than Europeans until you misinterpreted your simplistic Google AI responses lol


It's no secret that Europeans work less than Americans do. Every Labor Day the media tell us that Europeans have just enjoyed weeks of summer vacation while Americans have been toiling away. These stories often depict Americans as hard-working drones who revere material possessions above all else. Europeans meanwhile bask in the good life of long lunches and months at the beach.
There is some truth to the portrayal, at least in terms of hours worked. The International Labor Organization reports that the average American worked 1,815 hours in 2002, well above the comparable figures for France (1,545) and Germany (1,444), for example. (The average South Korean, on the other hand, worked over 2,400 hours.)
But if it's widely acknowledged that Americans work more hours than Europeans, it remains a puzzle quite why there's such a large difference. With similar economies and social structures—at least relative to the rest of the world—it would seem that labor patterns should also be alike. Social scientists have been hard-pressed to explain the disparity.


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The question isn't if, you dunce, it's WHY.

You're effectively arguing that the Earth is brighter than the Sun lmao
 
I know many democrats like to deny that lazy moochers exist, but for the sake of argument, let’s assume the lazy moocher does exist.

This is someone who is healthy, young, and capable of working but simply goes… nah f work.

Are you okay with these type of people getting kicked off healthcare and government benefits?

These type of people deserve nothing. Agree?

Do you know what a Democratic socialist is? Clearly based off this, you're a fucking Retard an don't. This isn't the soviet days, we don't have Red army oozing into our government and way of life. There are a lot of socialist policy that are perfectly fine in Western governments.
Why stupidest ass like yourself acting like we're days away from a United soviet states of America is beyond me at this point. I do not know, and can not for the life of me wrap my head around this weird shadow Soviet union fear, while struggling with being complete cowards following some orange ass hat who can't even get basic
US history correct is beyond me.





Democratic socialism and socialism share the goal of a more egalitarian society, but they differ in their approach to achieving it. Socialism generally advocates for social ownership of the means of production, while democratic socialism emphasizes achieving socialist goals through democratic processes, often within a capitalist framework.
Democratic socialists believe socialism can and should be brought about through electoral politics, using the existing legislative and regulatory functions of a liberal state to transition from a capitalist economy to a socialist, where workers own the means of production. To me, a more accurate name would be "reform socialists".

Democratic socialists do not "combine" socialism with democracy. Socialism without democracy is not socialism. Revolutionary socialism, despite seeking to overthrow what may be a nominally politically democratic state, seeks to in fact spread democracy even further, beyond politics and into the economic sphere (hence why socialists at one point flew the banner of "social democracy"—that term has come to mean social liberalism today, though).

Democratic socialism is not capitalism with robust welfare, heavy regulation, wealth redistribution, and a large public sector. Nordic countries, Germany, etc. are not democratic socialist countries, they're social liberal countries. Most people call this "social democracy", but for reasons I explained above, I prefer to not even call them that. They have not realized democracy in the social sphere (which would require economic democracy).

What exactly democratic socialism means and how it's implemented will look quite different and is varying degrees of possible from country to country, but it is important to note that it has never occurred. Either a full transition to worker control of production was never allowed, and a capitalist welfare state was settled upon (Germany, the Nordic countries, etc.), or the leaders were toppled by foreign aggressors and the government illegally overthrown (perhaps most famously, Salvador Allende in Chile, who suffered a US-backed coup d'etat).


^ hmmmmmm educate yourself, i know that word education scares Trump idiots an living a life of ignorance and stupidity is the only way forward(going to war with the department of education an public schools is cool shit bro). I've grown tired of this backwards bullshit way of thinking.
 
To be honest, I wasn't sure you were being serious, if it was worth responding, or what...?

I've never seen ANYONE try to claim Americans work fewer hours than Europeans until you misinterpreted your simplistic Google AI responses lol


It's no secret that Europeans work less than Americans do. Every Labor Day the media tell us that Europeans have just enjoyed weeks of summer vacation while Americans have been toiling away. These stories often depict Americans as hard-working drones who revere material possessions above all else. Europeans meanwhile bask in the good life of long lunches and months at the beach.
There is some truth to the portrayal, at least in terms of hours worked. The International Labor Organization reports that the average American worked 1,815 hours in 2002, well above the comparable figures for France (1,545) and Germany (1,444), for example. (The average South Korean, on the other hand, worked over 2,400 hours.)
But if it's widely acknowledged that Americans work more hours than Europeans, it remains a puzzle quite why there's such a large difference. With similar economies and social structures—at least relative to the rest of the world—it would seem that labor patterns should also be alike. Social scientists have been hard-pressed to explain the disparity.


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The question isn't if, you dunce, it's WHY.

You're effectively arguing that the Earth is brighter than the Sun lmao
Dude scrambled to google and posted the ILO report from 23 years ago. <lmao>

I mean you did just think their 1.2% agriculture sector working 42 hours/week jacked up the entire country's average like 7 hours, and you thought 1700 hours divided by 52 weeks was "over 40", so not sure you're the interpretation expert here.

Your own sources don't even agree with each other and can't come to a consensus within 10 hours. A full time work week is not some magical shortened work week, it's the same work week for full time jobs, and they might take an extra vacation, but the biggest difference is that the ILO are the average of full time and part time with those countries having significantly higher part time percentages as well as higher unemployment, and those are also reflected in having like half the GDP per capita. People are allowed to work part time here too if they want, the numbers just aren't as high as in Germany or the UK.
 
If you haven't worked or interacted with the general population you should take a look some day.

If you dont think a large segment of the population is lazy you probably belong to said segment.
Found one. Listen man I'm sure your mommy told you that you're her hard working lil man.
The more probable answer is you're work ethic is average or less. Most people are going to be poor because of circumstances. Would you just suddenly retire if you didn't have to worry about buying your meals?
 
did you go to school? What are you saying..

You sandll or richmma

I’m not sure which one is the worst

English must be your second language.

Keep working on it. Even with the mental handicap you will get better at it.
 
You don't even understand why supporting poor people with your taxes benefits you personally. Get bent.
People who refuse to work and live a life of leisure on the dime of others? Fuck you, you dumb cunt.

lol at tagging me over and over because I called you out on one stupid , edgelord wannabe post and your strategy is to double down with 10 more. Shitass troll.
 
Found one. Listen man I'm sure your mommy told you that you're her hard working lil man.
The more probable answer is you're work ethic is average or less. Most people are going to be poor because of circumstances. Would you just suddenly retire if you didn't have to worry about buying your meals?

You sound lazy
 
Please list anywhere someone can afford housing on minimum wage jobs.

Not having shelter kills people. Saying someone who is of working age and "healthy" but doesn't work, for whatever reason, shouldn't be given shelter is statistically very likely to result in their health declining very rapidly the moment they no longer have shelter, and their eventual turn to drug use, crime and death. And if they inevitably turn to crime and get arrested guess what? We subsidize all the costs associated with that from the arrest all the way to the cost of imprisonment, feeding them, and their healthcare. Seems like a waste of money rather than fronting some of that cost to avoid the systemic cost of their poverty

Most people in the workforce who are viable only got there because they had parents who didnt think like this. The only reason many communities arent innworse shape across the Country is because it has become more common for families to stay living together longer regardless of how many of them work. If everyone held that perspective and removed access to housing the moment someone was theoretically viable to work, the homeless population would be even higher.
Well, if it's that expensive I'm not against giving them shelter either. My point is just that the most expensive stuff should be given as even working people may not be able to afford it. But I thought most people in the US could pay for housing even if it's just a rented room somewhere on an entry level job, even if not technically minimum wage.
 
Well, if it's that expensive I'm not against giving them shelter either. My point is just that the most expensive stuff should be given as even working people may not be able to afford it. But I thought most people in the US could pay for housing even if it's just a rented room somewhere on an entry level job, even if not technically minimum wage.

You can but most of the time you have to have a roommate. Which was always the normal thing. The problem is some people thing they can live in a house like their parent's had on a starter job.
 
Well, if it's that expensive I'm not against giving them shelter either. My point is just that the most expensive stuff should be given as even working people may not be able to afford it. But I thought most people in the US could pay for housing even if it's just a rented room somewhere on an entry level job, even if not technically minimum wage.

Anyone who believes in economic heirarchies, inevitably also believes in social ones.

And no, not all people in the US can afford even a rented room. And this is a HUGE issue and misconception about the US. Snooty d*ckheads like some in here always like to trivialize the plight of homeless people because they firmly are inundated with the political rhetoric that homelessness is the fault of the homeless, that it happens due to some moral failure.

There is a lot of infrastructure involved in successfully entering the job market that people take for granted because its provided by their parents. It's a literal entitlement whereas what leftists propose is an earned benefit through taxation. Because of their parents they have shelter, access to hygienic practices, provided food and clothing, money for expenses related to working, and sometimes even transportation. No one thinks about this because 1) they expect it of their own parents, or that parents owe this to their kids to some degree and 2) it's ok because it's in an individualistic context. Parents should provide this for THEIR kids, never YOUR kids. Except that nice communities do this all the time. They'll move the children of their friends into the job market with all kinds of breaks, benefits, and services provided. And yet they'll still vote against this as social policy. Typically because of classism or racism. These notions are often perpetuated by wealthier people and their politicians, because they realize that the less money collected from the working class that's given to the working class, the more they can subsidize themselves with it.

Then you have the general malice and disdain towards homeless people, which leads to the effort to criminalize poverty. We just don't listen to them as a society because we always think they're automatically lying about whatever they say because of where they are:







Now, factoring in the legal cost of being constantly hassled by Cops because upper class people dont want you to exist anywhere public, also factor the cost of moving into anywhere nowadays. Most places want security deposits, they want first AND last month of rent, they REQUIRE you make 2-3 times the cost of the rent, and if you have a pet some charge pet rent...and all this is further contingent upon you passing a credit check and not having any evictions on your record. Homeless people dont save any money because they dont have shelter. They have to pay for hotels, pay for showers, pay for storage, pay for cooked meals.

Considering all this, plus cleanup costs, court costs, and jailing costs, its WAY cheaper, exponentially cheaper to just house them and treat them. Cheaper for everyone. But we're willing to pay more because we hate them.
 
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I know many democrats like to deny that lazy moochers exist, but for the sake of argument, let’s assume the lazy moocher does exist.

This is someone who is healthy, young, and capable of working but simply goes… nah f work.

Are you okay with these type of people getting kicked off healthcare and government benefits?

These type of people deserve nothing. Agree?
It's hilarious that people like you act like Republican losers don't abuse the system. LOOOOOOOOOOOL
 

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