TJ doesn't think Cejudo deserved to fight him and I agreed

[xyzxyz94]

Cejudo - TJ isn't a competitive fight.

 

[Turtlejuice]

No shit he wanted it because it was good for him. Great gotcha you got there, buddy. Do you think he's running a charity? He wants things that benefit him and his legacy, no duh. The difference between wanting a fight and DJ ducking a challenge at his own weight division is everything though. He had something to do lose beforehand too btw, if he lost he would have looked bad losing to the smaller champ, but there was massive appeal because of how hyped up DJ was. He could still drop and be a "champ champ" but the reward isn't as great besides that. Now there are bigger fights for him at 135, but if the UFC did want Cejudo at 135 I doubt he would turn it down.

No, he only wanted it when there was no risk. Now there's risk he's changed his mind.

There was no risk before. If he won, he won the belt, if he lost he lost to the #1 p4p in a fight he had to drain himself excessively to make, and still had his own belt. It was a fight with a built in excuse. There would have been risk taking it at 135. TJ had nothing to lose in that fight at 125.

Now someone is doing what he did and he's changed his tune.

 

[Toco]

This is not a super fight. Cejudo just became champ. Dana explained that shit at the presser.

if cejudo was a draw it would be a superfight for him. just saying that they're calling everything a superfight. DC miocic wasn't a superfight because DC wasn't a dominant champ, but still was called one

 

[Spitfire3000]

No, he only wanted it when there was no risk. Now there's risk he's changed his mind.

There was no risk before. If he won, he won the belt, if he lost he lost to the #1 p4p in a fight he had to drain himself excessively to make, and still had his own belt. It was a fight with a built in excuse. There would have been risk taking it at 135. TJ had nothing to lose in that fight at 125.

Now someone is doing what he did and he's changed his tune.

Ignoring the fact that he could use that same fucking weight cutting excuse for Cejudo as he could for DJ if it happened at 125: Yeah losing to the smaller champ wouldn't have been a bad look, people in general would have definitely bought into the weight cutting excuse.

DJ was presented as an unbeatable champion, #1 P4P of all time, unbelievable technique and skill, etc, and TJ if not for some questionable split decisions would be unbeaten in like 6 years or more, multi time champ, and had just won back his bantamweight belt in emphatic fashion. That would have been a fight with a lot of hype surrounding it, if all parties involved had struck while the iron was hot. Now that hype has gone with the wind, and the new """superfight""" has no one excited.

The risk was the same. The reward was far greater. Therefore there is less incentive to drop down. TJ gave his opinion about fighting Cejudo at 135, that he doesn't really think he deserves that title shot, but do you think if the UFC wanted that and presented him with the contract for it he's going it down? You keep trying to spin it but the situations are just not the same. DJ ducked TJ at his own 125 lb division, UFC wanted that fight, DJ wouldn't take it, and a heavier champion is a more worthy contender at a lower weight. You can't just put the yolk back in the shell and say it's the same. It's not.

 

[Workaholic]

DJ deserves a rematch and TJ has Moraes and Cruz to deal with at BW

 

[Turtlejuice]

Ignoring the fact that he could use that same fucking weight cutting excuse for Cejudo as he could for DJ if it happened at 125: Yeah losing to the smaller champ wouldn't have been a bad look, people in general would have definitely bought into the weight cutting excuse.

DJ was presented as an unbeatable champion, #1 P4P of all time, unbelievable technique and skill, etc, and TJ if not for some questionable split decisions would be unbeaten in like 6 years or more, multi time champ, and had just won back his bantamweight belt in emphatic fashion. That would have been a fight with a lot of hype surrounding it, if all parties involved had struck while the iron was hot. Now that hype has gone with the wind, and the new """superfight""" has no one excited.

The risk was the same. The reward was far greater. Therefore there is less incentive to drop down. TJ gave his opinion about fighting Cejudo at 135, that he doesn't really think he deserves that title shot, but do you think if the UFC wanted that and presented him with the contract for it he's going it down? You keep trying to spin it but the situations are just not the same. DJ ducked TJ at his own 125 lb division, UFC wanted that fight, DJ wouldn't take it, and a heavier champion is a more worthy contender at a lower weight. You can't just put the yolk back in the shell and say it's the same. It's not.

You're correct, it's not the same. Is known for a fact that Cejudo could make 135. With TJ it was not known. DJ had everything to lose and nothing to gain. All the risk was on DJ, none of it on TJ. That's where this situation is different, it's TJ that would be carrying the risk with little to gain.

As far as whether TJ would accept or not, that is unknown.

 

[Spitfire3000]

You're correct, it's not the same. Is known for a fact that Cejudo could make 135. With TJ it was not known. DJ had everything to lose and nothing to gain. All the risk was on DJ, none of it on TJ. That's where this situation is different, it's TJ that would be carrying the risk with little to gain.

As far as whether TJ would accept or not, that is unknown.

Okay, dude. You are not arguing in good faith. You're being a little bitch about the "DJ is ducking TJ" thing and letting it cloud your head so you can't look at this with nuance, you see hypocrisy where there is none.

DJ had a very shallow division. NO ONE GAVE A FUCK ABOUT A DJ FIGHT. He lost the company money for his PPVs, literally lost them money because they have a standard PPV buyrate regardless of who fights, and his PPVs went below that, people that bought UFC cards for the UFC brand literally were not purchasing DJ cards solely because of him. He has the record low PPVs in the "modern era" of UFC. TJ doesn't sell particularly well himself, but better than DJ, and this fight would have been the biggest fight of either of their careers.

Here was a high level champion at a weight class ABOVE, 10 lbs, similar weight, but a more prestigious and established weight class, willing to cut down to DJ's own division and challenge him there and DJ adamantly refused to take that fight. He ducked a challenge at his own weight that the UFC wanted, the fans wanted, and refused to sign a contract. When the stars were aligned he cited injury, so TJ took the Garbrandt rematch. But what happened next? DJ fucking took a fight on the same fucking card.

That's ducking. Accept it and get over it. DJ lost and it doesn't matter anymore. Nobody cares about that fight anymore.

DJ had every incentive. If he beats TJ that cements his legacy, that proves that he wasn't just a big fish in a finger tip deep little puddle of talentpool. It gives legitimacy to his title defense record and his "P4P" ranking, and it was the biggest fight he would EVER have in his career, nothing could have compared.

Saying that TJ carried no risk is moronic and disingenuous. If he lost to a smaller champion now no one would care about BW and DJ would be considered the "real BW champion" to the vast majority of fans. He goes back to BW and regardless of who he wins, how he won, the prevailing thought would have been "DJ is better, DJ is the real champion."

There is no fight on the horizon like that fight. It's dead. Cejudo vs TJ isn't the same thing. Maybe if Cejudo rematches DJ and beats him emphatically, either stoppage or dominant decision win, and goes on a 2 year unbeaten streak clearing out the division, and TJ keep winning and clearing out the division, that would indeed be a superfight. But if that's the next fight? No one will give a flying fuck. It isn't the same, and it's not hypocritical to call DJ a ducker, but not TJ if he thinks Cejudo doesn't deserve it because he's correct. If he you can't see that then you're braindead and being willfully obtuse.

Once again:
TJ vs DJ last night would have been awesome, considered the most important fight skill wise in UFC history
TJ vs Cejudo as of now: who gives a shit?

 

[MCS]

TJ chases p4p #1, in which he's now higher than both MM and Cejudo, so it'd be a step-down, not a goal.

MM was a dominant champ worthy to challenge, and because of his run and TJ's standing it would've been a superfight. Cejudo needs to get close to that first. And avenging the Cruz loss makes most sense for TJ. While it's obvious MM's run and it being a trilogy means Cejudo for him.

 

[machidafan99]

Cejudo's cash grab attempt came too soon tbh

 

[Turtlejuice]

Okay, dude. You are not arguing in good faith. You're being a little bitch about the "DJ is ducking TJ" thing and letting it cloud your head so you can't look at this with nuance, you see hypocrisy where there is none.

DJ had a very shallow division. NO ONE GAVE A FUCK ABOUT A DJ FIGHT. He lost the company money for his PPVs, literally lost them money because they have a standard PPV buyrate regardless of who fights, and his PPVs went below that, people that bought UFC cards for the UFC brand literally were not purchasing DJ cards solely because of him. He has the record low PPVs in the "modern era" of UFC. TJ doesn't sell particularly well himself, but better than DJ, and this fight would have been the biggest fight of either of their careers.

Here was a high level champion at a weight class ABOVE, 10 lbs, similar weight, but a more prestigious and established weight class, willing to cut down to DJ's own division and challenge him there and DJ adamantly refused to take that fight. He ducked a challenge at his own weight that the UFC wanted, the fans wanted, and refused to sign a contract. When the stars were aligned he cited injury, so TJ took the Garbrandt rematch. But what happened next? DJ fucking took a fight on the same fucking card.

That's ducking. Accept it and get over it. DJ lost and it doesn't matter anymore. Nobody cares about that fight anymore.

DJ had every incentive. If he beats TJ that cements his legacy, that proves that he wasn't just a big fish in a finger tip deep little puddle of talentpool. It gives legitimacy to his title defense record and his "P4P" ranking, and it was the biggest fight he would EVER have in his career, nothing could have compared.

Saying that TJ carried no risk is moronic and disingenuous. If he lost to a smaller champion now no one would care about BW and DJ would be considered the "real BW champion" to the vast majority of fans. He goes back to BW and regardless of who he wins, how he won, the prevailing thought would have been "DJ is better, DJ is the real champion."

There is no fight on the horizon like that fight. It's dead. Cejudo vs TJ isn't the same thing. Maybe if Cejudo rematches DJ and beats him emphatically, either stoppage or dominant decision win, and goes on a 2 year unbeaten streak clearing out the division, and TJ keep winning and clearing out the division, that would indeed be a superfight. But if that's the next fight? No one will give a flying fuck. It isn't the same, and it's not hypocritical to call DJ a ducker, but not TJ if he thinks Cejudo doesn't deserve it because he's correct. If he you can't see that then you're braindead and being willfully obtuse.

Once again:
TJ vs DJ last night would have been awesome, considered the most important fight skill wise in UFC history
TJ vs Cejudo as of now: who gives a shit?

No-one gave a shit about TJ. The only time TJ was talked about was off the back of MM, or Conor. TJ vs MM wouldn't have sold, in exactly the same way everyone who was desperate to see Yoel get a title shot didn't buy it when he did.

MM didn't lose money. He may not have made much, but he wasn't losing them money.

The only way this scenario is different, is TJ is on the receiving end, and there aren't hordes of "fans" desperate to see him lose.

 

[Spitfire3000]

No-one gave a shit about TJ. The only time TJ was talked about was off the back of MM, or Conor. TJ vs MM wouldn't have sold, in exactly the same way everyone who was desperate to see Yoel get a title shot didn't buy it when he did.

MM didn't lose money. He may not have made much, but he wasn't losing them money.

The only way this scenario is different, is TJ is on the receiving end, and there aren't hordes of "fans" desperate to see him lose.

That's right, nobody really cares about TJ that much either. TJ does like 200k buyrates, not that great.

DJ does lose them money. Let me explain for you since you didn't get it. UFC always does AT LEAST 125k buyrates no matter who is on the card, they buy it for the UFC brand. There's one exception, and that's Demetrius Johnsons' cards, which have done 115k on at least two occasions. That's losing them money. That's losing them 10k PPVs that they would have had with a chick fight slapped on as the main event, 10k ppv buys less solely based on DJ being the headliner. In comparison TJ did I think 235k versus a 24 hour replacement, a guy that wasn't even on the UFC roster.

TJ vs DJ would have been the biggest fight for either of them, definitely the biggest fight DJ was ever going to get except for something coming way out of left field, that's something the UFC could have hyped easily, could have had them on ESPN and foxsports saying how this was for the P4P #1 of all time spot, and DJ setting the title defense bar against a higher weight champion, a true superfight.

You really don't think they could have hyped that fight and sold more PPVs than TJ immediately rematching Cody Garbrandt who he had just knocked the fuck out, a beef that had gotten stale? Or DJ against Cejudo again, a fighter who showed basically nothing for DJ in their first fight and didn't have that sterling of a record since? You actually think that? Get the fuck out of here.

 

[ReadWrite]

It used to be a superfight was earned after you cleaned out your division. Somebody moved the goal posts. Now you don't even need to complete one title defense. Lol.

 

[Noleggeisha]

if cejudo was a draw it would be a superfight for him. just saying that they're calling everything a superfight. DC miocic wasn't a superfight because DC wasn't a dominant champ, but still was called one

DC is a dominant champ.

 

[Turtlejuice]

That's right, nobody really cares about TJ that much either. TJ does like 200k buyrates, not that great.

DJ does lose them money. Let me explain for you since you didn't get it. UFC always does AT LEAST 125k buyrates no matter who is on the card, they buy it for the UFC brand. There's one exception, and that's Demetrius Johnsons' cards, which have done 115k on at least two occasions. That's losing them money. That's losing them 10k PPVs that they would have had with a chick fight slapped on as the main event, 10k ppv buys less solely based on DJ being the headliner. In comparison TJ did I think 235k versus a 24 hour replacement, a guy that wasn't even on the UFC roster.

TJ vs DJ would have been the biggest fight for either of them, definitely the biggest fight DJ was ever going to get except for something coming way out of left field, that's something the UFC could have hyped easily, could have had them on ESPN and foxsports saying how this was for the P4P #1 of all time spot, and DJ setting the title defense bar against a higher weight champion, a true superfight.

You really don't think they could have hyped that fight and sold more PPVs than TJ immediately rematching Cody Garbrandt who he had just knocked the fuck out, a beef that had gotten stale? Or DJ against Cejudo again, a fighter who showed basically nothing for DJ in their first fight and didn't have that sterling of a record since? You actually think that? Get the fuck out of here.

That's called making less money. Not losing money.

You really think they're going to hype the fuck out of MM vs TJ knowing it'll do little (If any) more than 150k buys? If they thought it would sell they'd have offered the 1 million MM was asking for. The reason they weren't willing to pay up is because they knew it wouldn't sell.

Being the "biggest fight of their career" is of little importance if they're not being paid for the "biggest fight of their career". By your metric that might be a good motivator, that says more about you than it does about MM.

Its absolutely hillarious that you try to pass yourself off as impartial, but with a little squeezing the truth comes out. Truth is, the scenarios are the same, just this time TJ is on the receiving end.

 

[Spitfire3000]

That's called making less money. Not losing money.

You really think they're going to hype the fuck out of MM vs TJ knowing it'll do little (If any) more than 150k buys? If they thought it would sell they'd have offered the 1 million MM was asking for. The reason they weren't willing to pay up is because they knew it wouldn't sell.

Being the "biggest fight of their career" is of little importance if they're not being paid for the "biggest fight of their career". By your metric that might be a good motivator, that says more about you than it does about MM.

Its absolutely hillarious that you try to pass yourself off as impartial, but with a little squeezing the truth comes out. Truth is, the scenarios are the same, just this time TJ is on the receiving end.

Like I said. Not arguing in good faith. Being a cocksucker playing at semantics and wrong anyway.

Making them less money = losing them money, moron. If a chick fight headlines they would make more money than with DJ, that's why he only headlined free TV cards. They make a certain quota every time just based on their brand power, except with DJ ergo he loses them money. "He makes them less money," "he loses money," call it what you want it is the exact same thing, dipshit.

UFC presented him with a challenger at 125, they pushed for that fight, and he refused them. That's ducking, your idiotic blubbering "bu-bu-but what about him"ing doesn't change that fact. DJ ducked TJ and everyone knows it.

When the UFC presents TJ with the Cejudo contract and he refuses to sign it then and only then will you have a leg to stand on.

 

[HaikenEdge]

that's not going to sell anything

I mean, neither does Woodley fights.

 

[Turtlejuice]

Like I said. Not arguing in good faith. Being a cocksucker playing at semantics and wrong anyway.

Making them less money = losing them money, moron. If a chick fight headlines they would make more money than with DJ, that's why he only headlined free TV cards. They make a certain quota every time just based on their brand power, except with DJ ergo he loses them money. "He makes them less money," "he loses money," call it what you want it is the exact same thing, dipshit.

UFC presented him with a challenger at 125, they pushed for that fight, and he refused them. That's ducking, your idiotic blubbering "bu-bu-but what about him"ing doesn't change that fact. DJ ducked TJ and everyone knows it.

When the UFC presents TJ with the Cejudo contract and he refuses to sign it then and only then will you have a leg to stand on.

No it doesn't, moron. Making less money = making less money. Losing money = finishing with less than you started with. Making less money, and losing money are not even remotely the same thing.

It's the same scenario. If MM was ducking, then so is TJ. Sorry buddy, that's the way it is.

 

[Spitfire3000]

No it doesn't, moron. Making less money = making less money. Losing money = finishing with less than you started with. Making less money, and losing money are not even remotely the same thing.

It's the same scenario. If MM was ducking, then so is TJ. Sorry buddy, that's the way it is.

Making less money than they make based on their brand power due solely to him headlining = losing them money. This is a weird hill to die on. God you are such a lame cocksucker.

Once again, when the UFC presents TJ with the contract for the Henry Cejudo fight and he rejects it you will finally have a leg to stand on. DJ ducked TJ because he knew he was going to get his shit pushed in, that's why he wanted MILLIONS AND MILLIONS and all kinds of other shit he knew the UFC would never agree to. Only the most delusional DJ fans even attempt to deny this.

 

[Turtlejuice]

Making less money than they make based on their brand power due solely to him headlining = losing them money. This is a weird hill to die on. God you are such a lame cocksucker.

Once again, when the UFC presents TJ with the contract for the Henry Cejudo fight and he rejects it you will finally have a leg to stand on. DJ ducked TJ because he knew he was going to get his shit pushed in, that's why he wanted MILLIONS AND MILLIONS and all kinds of other shit he knew the UFC would never agree to. Only the most delusional DJ fans even attempt to deny this.

Ok I'm going to give you a little lesson since you're a bit slow in the head.

Scenario A:
UFC starts with 10 dollars, they spend 8 making a ppv and make 6 dollars from it, finishing with 8.

Scenario B:
UFC starts with 10 dollars, they spend 8 making a ppv and make 12 dollars from it, finishing with 14.

Scenario C:
UFC starts with 10 dollars, they spend 8 making a ppv and make 50 dollars from it, finishing with 52.

Only in scenario A are they losing money. In scenario B and C they are making money. They are making less in scenario B than scenario C. They are not losing moon buy in either scenario B or C.

Only delusional muppets claim this was going to be the biggest fight of MM's career but think he shouldn't demand his biggest pay day. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Spitfire3000]

Ok I'm going to give you a little lesson since you're a bit slow in the head.

Scenario A:
UFC starts with 10 dollars, they spend 8 making a ppv and make 6 dollars from it, finishing with 8.

Scenario B:
UFC starts with 10 dollars, they spend 8 making a ppv and make 12 dollars from it, finishing with 14.

Scenario C:
UFC starts with 10 dollars, they spend 8 making a ppv and make 50 dollars from it, finishing with 52.

Only in scenario A are they losing money. In scenario B and C they are making money. They are making less in scenario B than scenario C. They are not losing moon buy in either scenario B or C.

Only delusional muppets claim this was going to be the biggest fight of MM's career but think he shouldn't demand his biggest pay day. You've made it abundantly clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can't see the forest for the trees, you're an idiot.

I'm not saying they didn't make any money whatsoever. I didn't say they took a loss from the event.

I said, they lost money based on the 125K standard buyrate that they get NO MATTER WHO HEADLINES (except for DJ!), based solely on their UFC brand power. He caused them negative buyrates FROM THAT STANDARD. Okay idiot? From that standard, not that they lost more money than they put in on the event in totality. Yes, they made money on the events. They lost money from having him headline instead of two random chicks or two unranked HW bums. 115K is 10K less than the standard, he lost them 10K buyrates on him headlining the fight. Do you get it yet? Yes, they made money overall on the event, they also LOST 10K PPVS BASED SOLELY ON HIS NAME HEADLINING THE EVENTS, THEY NEVER GO LOWER THAN 125K NO MATTER WHAT EXCEPT WHEN DJ HEADLINES.

I spelled that out for you multiple times yet you're still here gainsaying and trying to save face. Regardless the point was that his PPV buys ARE SHIT, and no one cares to watch him. The only fight anyone cared about was the TJ fight, and he deliberately priced himself out, and now no one cares about that fight because he lost to someone in his own division.

Until TJ refuses to sign a contract to fight Cejudo you can go fuck yourself

 

[Turtlejuice]

You can't see the forest for the trees, you're an idiot.

I'm not saying they didn't make any money whatsoever. I didn't say they took a loss from the event.

I said, they lost money based on the 125K standard buyrate that they get NO MATTER WHO HEADLINES (except for DJ!), based solely on their UFC brand power. He caused them negative buyrates FROM THAT STANDARD. Okay idiot? From that standard, not that they lost more money than they put in on the event in totality. Yes, they made money on the events. They lost money from having him headline instead of two random chicks or two unranked HW bums. 115K is 10K less than the standard, he lost them 10K buyrates on him headlining the fight. Do you get it yet? Yes, they made money overall on the event, they also LOST 10K PPVS BASED SOLELY ON HIS NAME HEADLINING THE EVENTS, THEY NEVER GO LOWER THAN 125K NO MATTER WHAT EXCEPT WHEN DJ HEADLINES.

I spelled that out for you multiple times yet you're still here gainsaying and trying to save face. Regardless the point was that his PPV buys ARE SHIT, and no one cares to watch him. The only fight anyone cared about was the TJ fight, and he deliberately priced himself out, and now no one cares about that fight because he lost to someone in his own division.

Until TJ refuses to sign a contract to fight Cejudo you can go fuck yourself

You can be wrong 99 times, and you'll still be wrong the 100th time. Being wrong over and over won't suddenly make you right.

You're clueless mate. A clue could walk up to you, unbutton your shirt and take a shit in your chest and you wouldn't even notice.

Losing money means making less for something than it cost. It doesn't mean making less for something that you would have for something else. Doesnt matter how you try and spin it and twist it in that low functioning brain of yours. You're still wrong.