This type of thinking against guns is not only stupid but dangerous

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-curmi-/a-revision-on-the-bill-of_3_b_9772428.html
The Second Amendment is highly contested. There is no doubt that people do have the right to carry and have a stockpile of guns (“the right of the people to keep and bear arms”) and a state has the right to organize a well-regulated Militia. But, the main issue is on the right to self-defend with a firearm.

The main problem with the notion of self-defense is it imposes on justice, for everyone has the right for a fair trial. Therefore, using a firearm to defend oneself is not legal because if the attacker is killed, he or she is devoid of his or her rights.
In addition, one’s mental capacity is a major factor in deciding whether a man or woman has the right to have a firearm. There are two reasons for ensuring mental capacity. First, one of the Five Aims is to ensure domestic tranquility and there can be no tranquility if one does not have the capacity. Second, if one’s brain is distorting his or her reality, they do not have the proper reasoning and deduction skills to use a firearm.

Therefore, if we ponder and meditate on the recent events in news about guns, it would be obvious that the current state is incorrect. A gun for civilians is a weapon for a revolution and not for ordinary use. The belief that a gun is a useful tool to protect one is counterintuitive because guns get into the hands of people who use them for horrible reasons.

No right to self defense with a firearm is just asinine.

Opposing article takes:
http://downtrend.com/71superb/huffp...ause-it-denies-violent-criminals-a-fair-trial
Oddly enough, this thing starts out very un-HuffPosty by acknowledging that the 2nd Amendment does protect private gun ownership:

The Second Amendment is highly contested. There is no doubt that people do have the right to carry and have a stockpile of guns (“the right of the people to keep and bear arms”) and a state has the right to organize a well-regulated Militia. But, the main issue is on the right to self-defend with a firearm.

It’s still worded sarcastically, but that does seem like the author reluctantly agrees with the people’s right to keep and bear arms. Now here is where things become unhinged:

The main problem with the notion of self-defense is it imposes on justice, for everyone has the right for a fair trial. Therefore, using a firearm to defend oneself is not legal because if the attacker is killed, he or she is devoid of his or her rights.

There are an awful lot of flaws with this argument, the first being that a violent attacker hasn’t been arrested or charged yet when they are trying to commit a terrible act. They aren’t due their day in court until they are formally charged. In addition, a person committing an unlawful act forfeits certain legal protections.

Second, the Bill of Rights only limits the power of the federal government, not the people. The Constitution doesn’t lay out all of our rights, just the ones the feds can’t mess with. We have other rights besides what is in the document, and one of those is the basic human right to live.

Third, nothing in the Constitution forbids the people from defending themselves against a deadly attack. There is no clause in the 6th Amendment that says a person cannot defend himself or herself with deadly force because it interferes with a criminal’s right to a fair trial. There have also been no Supreme Court rulings in this area.

And if you thought that was idiotic, check out the other reasons why the author thinks we can’t use guns in self-defense:

Therefore, if we ponder and meditate on the recent events in news about guns, it would be obvious that the current state is incorrect. A gun for civilians is a weapon for a revolution and not for ordinary use. The belief that a gun is a useful tool to protect one is counterintuitive because guns get into the hands of people who use them for horrible reasons.

That’s almost like a cohesive thought, I guess. Basically this guy is saying that guns are only for overthrowing the government so they cannot be used for defense or hunting or target shooting. Plus, since criminals use guns for crime, law-abiding people can’t use them to stop crime.
 
The right to a trial is from the government. Citizens are not compelled to provide due process, nor should they in a self-defense capacity.
 
The first guy is full of shit and understands nothing about self-defense


It not a matter of taking away someone's right to a trial it's not passing sentence on anyone. It about stopping an attacker with reasonable force. Sometimes deadly force is reasonable no matter the weapon or not weapon used.
 
Deliberately misleading I'd say.

The belief that a gun is a useful tool to protect one is counterintuitive because guns get into the hands of people who use them for horrible reasons.

This is running under the assumption that there is no such thing as someone acquiring a gun illegally, which obviously isn't the case. Like if only there was a magic wand that could be waved and all guns could disappear forever and no criminals could ever get them.

So it is reasoning built on false premise.
 
It's not dangerous because it's the most unconvincing argument I could possibly think of for anything. At no point during his rambling, incoherent article, was he even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. He is awarded no points, and may god have mercy on his soul.
 
It's not dangerous because it's the most unconvincing argument I could possibly think of for anything. At no point during his rambling, incoherent article, was he even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. He is awarded no points, and may god have mercy on his soul.
If there's someone stupid enough to write it, there's bound to be people stupid enough to be convinced by it.

Ignorance is a powerful thing when wielded in the hands of many.
 
That piece of garbage opinion piece was featured in Huffington Posts Blog section, but those opinion pieces often get passed off as legitimate news and many of them are written better than the actual journalists hired to write for that garbage news-site.
 
In a lot of countries basic things like pepper spray are banned and you can get prosecuted for killing someone in self-defence. It's insane, people aren't allowed to protect themselves, you don't want that.
 
Lmao @ Huffington Post. What's next, an InfoWars article? Here's a better idea, cease immigration from islamic countries.
 
Innocent until proven guilty.

if you kill someone with a gun its assumed you didn't void the attacker of rights as you are just in defending yourself.

if you shouldnt have shot the person thats what we have concrete boxes for.
 
Gun control is nothing but a band aid to every real problem that needs stitches. It masks no sense.
 
In a lot of countries basic things like pepper spray are banned and you can get prosecuted for killing someone in self-defence. It's insane, people aren't allowed to protect themselves, you don't want that.
 
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