This is why Till lost

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  1. meauneau

    meauneau Brown Belt

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    We all know Till has a Muay Thai background and we also know that in fights involving kicks (MT, KB, TKW, etc.), an upright stance is the safest. I don't need to explain why an upright stance is smarter in kicking sports and a lower stance smarter in ports where your legs will be grabbed and taken out from under your centre of gravity.

    So Till chose to stand up in a Muay Thai stance against a wrestler who is shorter than him. This was clearly a mistake. This meant that Till would have to react to Woodley's takedown attempts and faints by switching to a sort of wrestling stance and then reverting to his upright stance when out of danger as we see in the screen shot below.

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    Here we see Till reacting to what he perceived as a danger (the main threat being a takedown), by changing his stance from upright to lower crouched one, which makes sense when your opponent is a wrestler, especially when you believe he doesn't want to exchange punches with you. So Till did the smart thing when being attacked. But what about when it was his turn to attack? This was his mistake, when he attacked he didn't change his stance, he wasn't defensively responsible when attacking. Till didn't feel there was a danger when he attacked which is why he didn't take any defensive measures in his attacks. He unerestimated Woodley's boxing. He unload punches in an upright stance against a wrestler in a boxing stance who is shorter and has a powerful right cross.

    What follows is my analysis of the main mistake Till made.

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    Here we see Woodley in a boxer's stance, his chin is right above his front foot , it is not directly above his centre of gravity but slightly forward. This makes it look as if he is closer than he really, it is an illusion. Till's chin is right above his centre of gravity and there is no illusion of distance created here. Woodley can evade Till's punch, without moving away from Till simply by pulling back a few inches to bring his chin right above his centre of gravity which leaves Till open to a counter right hand. Till cannot pull back and bring his chin backwards past his centre of gravity because he would be out of balance. What Till should have done is use angles and footwork to set up his punches. We saw none of this, instead Till went straight in, no angles no set up and paid for it.


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    Here we see Woodly pulling back as explained above, in good balance and defensively responsible and ready to counter with that vicious right hand. Till is the one attacking here rather than being attacked and doesn't feel there is a danger in this range of the fight, so he stays upright and enter straight in. He ends up taking the right hand in the face for his naivety.


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    And here is the price Till paid for being so naive.

    What Woodley did here is done by every competent boxer which Till isn't. This isn't a performance error from Till's part, it is a competence error. At such a high level this kind of error isn't performance error. He might be good at Muay Thai but boxing is another thing. My favourite boxer, Miguel Cotto, exemplifies Woodley's stance very well.

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    The yellow line is Till's stance; the blue line is Woodley's stance, which is the stance Cotto takes; the red line is the reference point which Till used to calculate distance for his attack; and the green line is the space Cotto has from which to defend and counter. In this stance you can appear closer than you really are so when some naive boxer aims at the red line you can defend and counter all night while staying safe and defensively responsible. Boxing 101.

    TL;DR: Till needs to learn basic boxing.
     

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  2. Twink182

    Twink182 All the....small things

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    Till lost cause he got punched without punching a lot back
     
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    Orrrr maybe, just maybe he lost because Tyron is the better fighter.
     
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    Klaavical Brown Belt

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    And his hands were down.
     
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    I WILL CUT YOU Calamity from the Heavens

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    Somewhere NOlogic is taking notes so he can pretend to be an analyst.
     
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    With better fundamentals, and less mistakes.

    OP is spot on.
     
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    Let's say Till magically fixed all that over night, he still gets mauled.

    Woodley is that good. Get used to it.

    You think striking vet WB wouldn't be able to exploit these "lack of basics"?
     
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    im more concerned with how low till has his left hand. no wonder he ate a massive right hand.
     
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    Arm Barbarian Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    This.

    Tyron beat his ass everywhere.

    He was much faster than Till.
     
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  10. meauneau

    meauneau Brown Belt

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    You can get away with this if you are defensively responsible.
     
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    Left front kick was right there

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    Till lost simply because Woodley countered with a straight right, knocked him down and used his heavy top game to finish. No need to overanalyze this, Cruz.
     
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    Good post. He pointed the mistake out himself, Over confidence and leaving his left hand down as he was working a right uppercut which they had been working on. Bad mistake but was also utterly outclassed. Over reaching to say its incompetence and not just a mistake. I though he survived really well on his back. Moved alot was busy. His head must be hard af to not be out from those elbows. But this fight was just too early for Till. A few more fights against Usman and the likes would have been better preparation for taking on the best.
     
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    He was a hype job and Woodley wasn't playing around.
     
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    He wanted to throw the left. It's a bad habit to drop a hand when wanting to punch with it.

    It's why Cody won't beat TJ. Bad defense after throwing a punch.
     
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  16. meauneau

    meauneau Brown Belt

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    He is and I explained one aspect in fighting where Woodley is better.
     
  17. ARW

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    I think till was almost too patient to try and find a hole in woodleys game, and didn’t have the weapons to defend the ground and pound
     
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    Good analysis.

    He fought the champ for like 9 goddamn minutes and he didn't land DICK! Again I always gotta say I ain't no fighter, but Till is and what did he expect? Sure he was decent and stopping a few takedowns...

    But when he got rocked and went down the fight was already over, he wasn't coming back. Maybe he started his weight cut too early. Maybe he folded under the spotlight. Can't take much from Woodley that was an incredible performance, but an embarrassing lack of performance from Till
     
  19. TGArthur

    TGArthur You can't lose if you win the fight.

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    Interesting analysis. I know a lot of people are giving you shit, but the real takeaway is he came in with his chin high rushing in with punches against a very quick a strong counter puncher. He paid the price for it.
     
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    Spot on analysis - Tyron also shot a shorter/quicker right hand and it landed first
     
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