Thinking About Getting A 4k Monitor

[mushishi]

I'm considering the Crossover 404k

http://www.overclock.net/t/1549360/crossover-44k-uhd-led-40-inch-monitor

Any thoughts?

Any suggestions for a video card to run this bad boy? I don't do lots of intense gaming, but do play some LOL, Civ V, and other non-graphic intensive games. Would like to max out settings on games, though, if feasible. Plan to do some photo and 4k video editing. Would like to stay under $1000 and avoid dual video cards if possible, but not closed to the idea.

 

[mushishi]

Oh, there's a buy thread. Can a mod close this?

Thx

 

[GhostZ06]

im looking at this.

 

[A Bird]

I say go for it. I don't really see any way that you'll regret it.

 

[mushishi]

im looking at this.

That monitor looks like a great buy, and it's aobut $100 cheaper than the Crossover. Might get that instead. Also, the seller, dream-something, is mentioned in the 404k thread as a reliable seller.

Going to do a little more research and pick the monitor with better color accuracy. Hopefully one of them are matte, but not really an issue in my room.

I say go for it. I don't really see any way that you'll regret it.

Yeah, the price point, while still steep, is amazingly low for a 4k this size. Might just pull the trigger.

 

[GhostZ06]

That monitor looks like a great buy, and it's aobut $100 cheaper than the Crossover. Might get that instead. Also, the seller, dream-something, is mentioned in the 404k thread as a reliable seller.

Going to do a little more research and pick the monitor with better color accuracy. Hopefully one of them are matte, but not really an issue in my room.



Yeah, the price point, while still steep, is amazingly low for a 4k this size. Might just pull the trigger.

just out of curiosity, what kind of computer do you have? i mean i hope its something hardcore

 

[Cygnus A]

I say go for it. I don't really see any way that you'll regret it.

There are plenty of ways to regret buying a 4k monitor, the most prominent being your rig can actually handle the pixel throughput.

But seriously, you need a serious rig to handle 4K gaming. Even Civ 5 is going need some power to run at that resolution.

 

[mushishi]

just out of curiosity, what kind of computer do you have? i mean i hope its something hardcore

I have a P8Z68 Deluxe mobo, i7 2600k cpu, 8g ram. Got a fanless Radeon hd 6850 for audio editing, along with all Noctua fans, but that was a bust. Never going that route again. Cost a penny when I first got it. Planning to use it mostly for photo/video editing but would like to do some light gaming with it also.

There are plenty of ways to regret buying a 4k monitor, the most prominent being your rig can actually handle the pixel throughput.

But seriously, you need a serious rig to handle 4K gaming. Even Civ 5 is going need some power to run at that resolution.

Was hoping it was jsut about getting a new video card, but if I need to upgrade everything or build a new pc, imma have to pass.

 

[GhostZ06]

There are plenty of ways to regret buying a 4k monitor, the most prominent being your rig can actually handle the pixel throughput.

But seriously, you need a serious rig to handle 4K gaming. Even Civ 5 is going need some power to run at that resolution.

this this this

 

[Cygnus A]

I have a P8Z68 Deluxe mobo, i7 2600k cpu, 8g ram. Got a fanless Radeon hd 6850 for audio editing, along with all Noctua fans, but that was a bust. Never going that route again. Cost a penny when I first got it. Planning to use it mostly for photo/video editing but would like to do some light gaming with it also.



Was hoping it was jsut about getting a new video card, but if I need to upgrade everything or build a new pc, imma have to pass.

4k resolution is more than 4x the pixels of 1080p gaming.

A lot of people think the GPU does all the graphics work, but think of it this way: Your CPU needs to push over 4 times the amount of data to the GPU before it even gets processed. CPU/RAM can easily become a bottleneck before your GPU does.

If you want more pixels, go with 1440p. And at this point, I would even recommend ultrawide over 4k.

 

[Scoop]

I just wouldn't go 4K because single GPU setups can't handle it yet and SLI setups are silly.

 

[Edgar Allan Hoe]

Nice, I just bought my first 4K monitor this weekend. I am controller guy so I usually play PC games on my 60in F8500 plasma in the living room but I have been craving some RTS games lately and so I decided to move my rig back to my desk and I thought, why not go 4K?

I first bought the Samsung 28in UD590 on Friday. First impressions were the clarity and detail of 4K is fucking incredible. After a few hours though I started to notice how bad the viewing angle was, and how mediocre the colors and back levels looked compared to my plasma. The next day I returned it and upgraded to the Philips 40in 4065UC. That's right, it's 40in! After calibrating the monitor using my entry level colorimeter (xRite i1Display Pro) I cam to the conclusion that this monitor is fucking awesome and a keeper.

I will say that the 28in Samsung was more sharp due to the smaller pixels but when I play games on a 40in screen at 4K and the screen fills up my FOV, it's pretty incredible. Also, it has the same pixel density as a 27in 1440p monitor which means you don't actually have to scale the text at all (well maybe at 125% if you need to). With the 28in Samsung, the text was completely unreadable and I had to scale to 150% at the absolute minimum. There is a tradeoff there because the smaller pixels like I said, did make the image more crisp. The Phillips is an AV panel with a white LED backlight, so it has better colors and black level then the Samsung, which was a standard TN panel. I would probably recommend trying out the Samsung UD590 because the price is such a steal. You may turn out to love it. Otherwise, the price goes way the fuck up.

P.S. - Here is a pic of my setup with my new 4K monitor.

Spoiler

If you're wondering what I have under the hood to power my games at 4K, I just upgraded my CPU from a 1st gen i7 930 to the 4th gen i7-4790K and I upgraded my GPUs from a GTX 760 to 2x GTX 980s.

Spoiler

PC Gaming is definitely an expensive hobby. :redface:

 

[Strychnine]

Dang Ghost!

You always find the deals on tech!

 

[Edgar Allan Hoe]

Dang Ghost!

You always find the deals on tech!

They are manufactured in Korea and are not A grade panels, hence the price. I'm not against them in general and I think anyone willing to take a chance on them should go for it but personally, I purchased a Crossover 27Q 1440p monitor a few years back when these Korean panels first became popular on the internet and the thing died after a year. It was a great panel when it worked and it was 60% the price of it's official competition but it still left a sour taste.

I wonder if you could somehow get an 3rd party extended warranty of them. That would be great.

The reason I went ahead and paid retail price on my Phillps is because for $120 I was able to purchase a 3 year warranty at microcenter that allows me to get the full price of the monitor no questions asked whenever I need to.

In 2 years I will just say a pixel is stuck and when they can't replace it, I'll just get the full price back in credit an upgrade to whatever I want. The clerk literally told me that this is what he does. He admitted they don't even check the panels. lol

 

[Blayt7hh]

I've been reading up on a lot of them but I can't seem to find the perfect fit. I like IPS, prefer glossy finish and going 4k I would like to get one with gsync. Only one Gsync monitor exists at 4k right now, and it's a TN panel. I might wait a while longer and see what comes out

They are manufactured in Korea and are not A grade panels, hence the price. I'm not against them in general and I think anyone willing to take a chance on them should go for it but personally, I purchased a Crossover 27Q 1440p monitor a few years back when these Korean panels first became popular on the internet and the thing died after a year. It was a great panel when it worked and it was 60% the price of it's official competition but it still left a sour taste.

Yeah that was my experience exactly. The image quality was amazing though

 

[Brampton_Boy]

I had posted about doing something similar about a month or two ago, and ended up going through a series of configurations (1x42"UHD, 1x60" UHD, and a couple of multi monitor combos)

While I ended up settling on a 3 monitor configuration (32" 2560x1440, and two vertically oriented 1080p monitors) for workflow, I would recommend a UHD monitor only if:

1) It supports display port, or you have HDMI 2.0 (which the 6850 does not)
2) You have some sort of vesa mount to adjust tilt and swivel
3) These are more nice to haves (4:4:4 Chroma, IPS display)

My plunge into 4k was with the Vizio 60" P Line - while it supports HDMI 2.0, I have an AMD graphics card, so I was forced to run it @30fps. This sucked for development work. Plus, working with a 60" desktop was unwieldy - I used a program called Max Screen to create custom windows, but without the ability to adjust the screen more than a couple of degrees, I found my viewing angles were really unnatural at that size.

I subsequently "downgraded" to a Philips 4k Monitor (an actual monitor, not telvision, that Best Buy had on sale ) which supported display port. It was much more usable, but strangely I found 40" too small for 4k work. I had to use 125% windows scaling so I could see things clearly. Gaming was also a less than stellar experience at native res, even with cross fire 290x.

Like Cynus pointed out, 1440p is the sweet spot for screen real estate/acceptable gaming performance. Unless you have a specific application for why you need UHD, it is way more cost effective to pick up a pair of 30" Korean monitors (I myself got a killer deal on a 32" Acer B326HUL for $250)

 

[GhostZ06]

Nice, I just bought my first 4K monitor this weekend. I am controller guy so I usually play PC games on my 60in F8500 plasma in the living room but I have been craving some RTS games lately and so I decided to move my rig back to my desk and I thought, why not go 4K?

I first bought the Samsung 28in UD590 on Friday. First impressions were the clarity and detail of 4K is fucking incredible. After a few hours though I started to notice how bad the viewing angle was, and how mediocre the colors and back levels looked compared to my plasma. The next day I returned it and upgraded to the Philips 40in 4065UC. That's right, it's 40in! After calibrating the monitor using my entry level colorimeter (xRite i1Display Pro) I cam to the conclusion that this monitor is fucking awesome and a keeper.

I will say that the 28in Samsung was more sharp due to the smaller pixels but when I play games on a 40in screen at 4K and the screen fills up my FOV, it's pretty incredible. Also, it has the same pixel density as a 27in 1440p monitor which means you don't actually have to scale the text at all (well maybe at 125% if you need to). With the 28in Samsung, the text was completely unreadable and I had to scale to 150% at the absolute minimum. There is a tradeoff there because the smaller pixels like I said, did make the image more crisp. The Phillips is an AV panel with a white LED backlight, so it has better colors and black level then the Samsung, which was a standard TN panel. I would probably recommend trying out the Samsung UD590 because the price is such a steal. You may turn out to love it. Otherwise, the price goes way the fuck up.

P.S. - Here is a pic of my setup with my new 4K monitor.

Spoiler

If you're wondering what I have under the hood to power my games at 4K, I just upgraded my CPU from a 1st gen i7 930 to the 4th gen i7-4790K and I upgraded my GPUs from a GTX 760 to 2x GTX 980s.

Spoiler

PC Gaming is definitely an expensive hobby. :redface:

this one?



i heard you can split the screen into 2 separate monitors

 

[Edgar Allan Hoe]

this one?

Spoiler

i heard you can split the screen into 2 separate monitors

You can split up to 4 inputs on the screen simultaneously so I guess you could theoretically hook up a PC via DisplayPort, 2 others via HDMI, and one more via VGA and have them all displayed on the monitor in 4 blocks like a surveillance monitor.

That's a lot of mouses and keyboards to control though. :wink:

 

[CC's left foot]

Too expensive by far. I probably won't even think of getting a 4k computer monitor for another 5+ years.

Besides, what's wrong with 1080? Unless you're sitting too close to the screen you won't see individual pixels anyway.

 

[Edgar Allan Hoe]

Too expensive by far. I probably won't even think of getting a 4k computer monitor for another 5+ years.

Besides, what's wrong with 1080? Unless you're sitting too close to the screen you won't see individual pixels anyway.

If you have a good TV, it's not as noticeable unless it's > 60in but on a monitor the difference is night and day, even if you sit a few feet back. 4K is 2160p, exactly TWICE the resolution of 1080p.

That said, unless your are a hardcore gamer or someone who just likes to spend money on electronics like myself, I wouldn't bother. The extra screen real estate for daily tasks is nice and all but it's not a game changer. Being able to max PC games at 4K however is something that will impress any skeptic.

As for movies/tv, there is barely any 4K native source so if you are really into cinema, a 1080p OLED is your best bet (I'm still waiting for OLED's to completely blow away my F8500 plasma) although I've read that 4K TV's do a great job of upscaling 1080p to 4K so 1080p material looks as good as it should if not a tiny bit better.

My two cents.




1080p shots cut and cropped from GTA V at 4K maxed. (AA at 2x MSAA). I literally cropped the middle half of the image.