Theres no male american champions (and one american female champion)

[CroCopsLHK]

This is harrowing to me. On one aspect I appreciate the global appeal of ufc athletes, on the other I wish my country was doing better right now XD. What are your thoughts? Is USA truly outshined right now? Who's the next american champion?

From male HW-FLW: UK, Russia, South Africa, Australia, (Vacant: Formerly Russia, next Brazil vs Spain), Australia, Georgia, Brazil.

As for the ladies we have the lone outlier in Kayla Harrison for US. Then we got Kyrgyzstan and China

So besides Kayla we get a fat zero. Unprecedented times lol

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

Americans are manlets but Shvili's and Medov's are better at manletting

 

[b00tysweat]

left off the GOAT

Took the entire world combined to almost beat us for a brief moment in time, congrats!

 

[sonhow]

Americans are manlets but Shvili's and Medov's are better at manletting

Americans are manlets that have evolved into super HWs thanks to the power of McDonalds and KFC

 

[muaythaibeast]

2 Aussie champs (and almost 3 if Erceg hadn't had that brain fart in the last round) and no American champs is insane.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

This is harrowing to me. On one aspect I appreciate the global appeal of ufc athletes, on the other I wish my country was doing better right now XD. What are your thoughts? Is USA truly outshined right now? Who's the next american champion?

From male HW-FW: UK, Russia, South Africa, Australia, (Vacant: Formerly Russia, next Brazil vs Spain), Australia, Georgia, Brazil.

As for the ladies we have the lone outlier in Kayla Harrison for US. Then we got Kyrgyzstan and China

So besides Kayla we get a fat zero. Unprecedented times lol

Jon Jones?

 

[JBJ was here]

Jon Jones?

This is a not-so-subtle Jones bashing thread.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

This is a not-so-subtle Jones bashing thread.

Also Merab is an American citizen.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Also Merab is an American citizen.

That clearly reps Georgia.. The country, not the southern state. But if people want to count him as American, I’m fine with that. There have been more than just a few champions that have become American citizens.

 

[Tweak896]

The American wrestlers aren't coming over like the Russian ones. It is what it is. Maybe they are happy just doing olympics and coaching? Seemed like we used to get higher caliber wrestlers from the US in earlier eras.

 

[joy2day]

Other countries have come a long way in catching up to the US in some American-born sports like basketball, but they have not surpassed America. The All-Star team in the NBA has more international players than ever, but they are still far from a majority, and they can't beat our Olympic team even with the international NBA stars mostly playing for other countries.

But in an international sport that has been going on for a long time in other places (or at least the skills needed to train for it), the US has no such advantage.

2024 Olympic Medal counts by country

Judo:
Japan – 3 G 2 S 3 B (8); France – 2 G 2 S 6 B (10); Azerbaijan – 2 G (2); Georgia – 1 G 2 S (3); Brazil – 1 G 1 S 2 B (4); Uzbekistan – 1 G 2 B (3); Kazakhstan – 1 G 1 B (2); Canada – 1 G (1); Croatia – 1 G (1); Italy – 1 G (1); Slovenia – 1 G (1); South Korea – 2 S 3 B (5); Israel – 2 S 1 B (3); Kosovo – 1 S 1 B (2); Germany – 1 S (1); Mexico – 1 S (1); Mongolia – 1 S (1); Moldova – 2 B (2); Tajikistan – 2 B (2); Austria – 1 B (1); Belgium – 1 B (1); China – 1 B (1); Greece – 1 B (1); Portugal – 1 B (1); Spain – 1 B (1); Sweden – 1 B

Not single medal in Judo. Ouch!

Wrestling:
Japan – 8 G 1 S 2 B (11); Iran – 2 G 4 S 2 B (8); United States – 2 G 2 S 3 B (7); Bulgaria – 2 G (2); Cuba – 1 G 1 S 3 B (5); Georgia – 1 G 1 S (2); Uzbekistan – 1 G 1 B (2); Bahrain – 1 G (1); Ukraine – 2 S 1 B (3); China – 1 S 4 B (5); Kyrgyzstan – 1 S 4 B (5); Armenia – 1 S 1 B (2); Chile – 1 S (1); Ecuador – 1 S (1); Kazakhstan – 1 S (1); Moldova – 1 S (1); Azerbaijan – 3 B (3); Albania – 2 B (2); North Korea – 2 B (2); Turkey – 2 B (2); Colombia – 1 B (1); Denmark – 1 B (1); Greece – 1 B (1); India – 1 B (1); Norway – 1 B (1); Puerto Rico – 1 B (1).

Destroyed by Japan in wrestling!

Tae Kwon Do:
South Korea – 2 G 0 S 1 B (3)
Uzbekistan – 1 G 1 S 0 B (2)
France – 1 G 1 B (2)
Iran – 0 G 2 S 0 B (2)
Thailand – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
Bahrain – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
Jordan – 0 G 1 S 0 B (1)
Denmark – 0 G 1 S 0 B (1)
Italy, China, Brazil, Turkey, United States, … (remaining countries each 1 medal)

Only one medal in TKD.

Boxing:

• Republic of Uzbekistan – 5 G 0 S 0 B (5)
• People’s Republic of China – 3 G 2 S 0 B (5)
• Republic of Cuba – 1 G 0 S 3 B (4)
• Chinese Taipei – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Ireland – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Algeria – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Ukraine – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Kingdom of Spain – 0 G 1 S 1 B (2)
• Islamic Republic of Iran – 0 G 1 S 0 B (1)
• United States of America – 0 G 0 S 1 B (1)

Only one medal, a bronze in boxing.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

There are so many avenue to make a living as an athlete in this country MMA is so far down the pecking order there is really no reason to look for a career in fighting if you have any athletic ability and opportunity to earn money elsewhere. The odds of even earning a decent living in MMA, let alone a lucrative one, are so minuscule and the path to success is so unglamorous

 

[Meathead Jock]

Other countries have come a long way in catching up to the US in some American-born sports like basketball, but they have not surpassed America. The All-Star team in the NBA has more international players than ever, but they are still far from a majority, and they can't beat our Olympic team even with the international NBA stars mostly playing for other countries.

But in an international sport that has been going on for a long time in other places (or at least the skills needed to train for it), the US has no such advantage.

2024 Olympic Medal counts by country

Judo:
Japan – 3 G 2 S 3 B (8); France – 2 G 2 S 6 B (10); Azerbaijan – 2 G (2); Georgia – 1 G 2 S (3); Brazil – 1 G 1 S 2 B (4); Uzbekistan – 1 G 2 B (3); Kazakhstan – 1 G 1 B (2); Canada – 1 G (1); Croatia – 1 G (1); Italy – 1 G (1); Slovenia – 1 G (1); South Korea – 2 S 3 B (5); Israel – 2 S 1 B (3); Kosovo – 1 S 1 B (2); Germany – 1 S (1); Mexico – 1 S (1); Mongolia – 1 S (1); Moldova – 2 B (2); Tajikistan – 2 B (2); Austria – 1 B (1); Belgium – 1 B (1); China – 1 B (1); Greece – 1 B (1); Portugal – 1 B (1); Spain – 1 B (1); Sweden – 1 B

Not single medal in Judo. Ouch!

Wrestling:
Japan – 8 G 1 S 2 B (11); Iran – 2 G 4 S 2 B (8); United States – 2 G 2 S 3 B (7); Bulgaria – 2 G (2); Cuba – 1 G 1 S 3 B (5); Georgia – 1 G 1 S (2); Uzbekistan – 1 G 1 B (2); Bahrain – 1 G (1); Ukraine – 2 S 1 B (3); China – 1 S 4 B (5); Kyrgyzstan – 1 S 4 B (5); Armenia – 1 S 1 B (2); Chile – 1 S (1); Ecuador – 1 S (1); Kazakhstan – 1 S (1); Moldova – 1 S (1); Azerbaijan – 3 B (3); Albania – 2 B (2); North Korea – 2 B (2); Turkey – 2 B (2); Colombia – 1 B (1); Denmark – 1 B (1); Greece – 1 B (1); India – 1 B (1); Norway – 1 B (1); Puerto Rico – 1 B (1).

Destroyed by Japan in wrestling!

Tae Kwon Do:
South Korea – 2 G 0 S 1 B (3)
Uzbekistan – 1 G 1 S 0 B (2)
France – 1 G 1 B (2)
Iran – 0 G 2 S 0 B (2)
Thailand – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
Bahrain – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
Jordan – 0 G 1 S 0 B (1)
Denmark – 0 G 1 S 0 B (1)
Italy, China, Brazil, Turkey, United States, … (remaining countries each 1 medal)

Only one medal in TKD.

Boxing:

• Republic of Uzbekistan – 5 G 0 S 0 B (5)
• People’s Republic of China – 3 G 2 S 0 B (5)
• Republic of Cuba – 1 G 0 S 3 B (4)
• Chinese Taipei – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Ireland – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Algeria – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Ukraine – 1 G 0 S 0 B (1)
• Kingdom of Spain – 0 G 1 S 1 B (2)
• Islamic Republic of Iran – 0 G 1 S 0 B (1)
• United States of America – 0 G 0 S 1 B (1)

Only one medal, a bronze in boxing.

Everything you said is true, but the description of their wrestling performance seems pretty biased. It was a disappointing performance in which they were still top 3 and they had a better showing in the 2022 Olympics just 2 years earlier.

All that said though, I do think America has been passed over. American fighters that have succeeded most often are the wrestlers, and now that Dagi's are coming over more hungry and in more numbers and often more talented than there American counterparts, America will be mostly manufactured champions. If they add some bumped up weight class for women we could probably have a good chance at adding some champs but that's their best chance.

 

[DamnSevern]

as someone who pays close attention to MMA in Central Asia and Eastern Europe....its only going to get worse for Americans in MMA. the talent coming out of this region is legitimately insane...part of it is the culture..the other part is they have amateur mma tournaments/local pankration/sambo tournaments where the level of competition is so fucking high. You have crazy high level fighters who are well rounded in striking/grappling by the age of 18.

As well as regions like France/Spain starting to pop and Brazil/Mexico

to give you an idea

Post in thread 'My big stupid hype trains thread.'

Jun 5, 2025

Lightweight

1. Amru Magomedov - 1999 - Russia - UAE Warriors - 9-0
2. Si Won Park - 2002 - South Korea - Road FC - 7-0
3. Losene Keita - 1997 - Guinea - Oktagon - 16-1
4. Eduard Vartanyan - 1991 - Russia - Nashe Delo - 26-4
5. Adam Masaev – 2000 – Russia – Free Agent – 10-0
6. Marko Bojkovic – 2001 – Serbia – FNC – 8-1
7. Juan Pablo Vieira - 2003 - Brazil - LFA - 9-0
8. Manoel Sousa – 1997 – Brazil – LFA – 12-1
9. Vasiliy Takhtay – 1996 – Kazkhstan – Dala FC – 10-0
10. Cristian Perez - 1999 - Mexico - Combate Global - 13-1
11. Ramazan Gitinov - 1997 - Bahrain - BRAVE - 5-0
12. Harry...

• Hellowhosthat

 

[Shaolin Alan]

Jon Jones living in OPs head rent free...

 

[joy2day]

Everything you said is true, but the description of their wrestling performance seems pretty biased.

I don't actually have any anti-American biases as I am an American (and am not one of the America-hating loonies in America, lol). The gold medal count just looks dominant- 4 times as many gold medals as the US. The total medal count is only4 more for Japan though, so I guess in that way they are closer.

I don't think we can really expect the US to dominate with only 5% of the world's population; that's a small talent pool. We give a great performance in the Olympics and MMA when you consider that.

 

[Ube]

Everyone relax. These things are cyclical. There’ll be American champs again. Just like there’ll always be Brazilian champs.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Jones is a Thai native now







Or did he convert to Russian….?

 

[Fergelmince]

There are too many Americans on these lists for Americans to care who's got the belt in the UFC

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts

 

[welcometohavoc]

That clearly reps Georgia.. The country, not the southern state. But if people want to count him as American, I’m fine with that. There have been more than just a few champions that have become American citizens.

Actually he's one of the few immigrants that proudly reps both his birthplace and his new home