There was not much interest in Mir-Fedor match up in their primes

JustOnce

On Hiatus
@Gold
Joined
Jan 22, 2015
Messages
24,000
Reaction score
28,129
This is false, but I see this being regurgitated by a lot of people over and over and over as if it's some fact, not just by people here, but I think even by Mir and some journalists, whom really doesn't know what they are really talking about a lot of times other than their journalism degree, and I never really understood why anyone take those guys seriously, any more than these made up stats and rankings and all that shit that they just seemed to have come up with out of their ass to fill the space,

Sometimes, when people say something enough times by enough number of people and when it's not clear, what's true or false, it almost becomes, in people's minds, a fact, more concrete than any first hand experience.

Frank Mir started his career in 2001. When Fedor was the number 1 heavyweight of the world in 2003, as shown by the FightMatrix, Frank Mir was 5 - 1.

When Frank Mir pulled off an upset against Tim Sylvia, at 8 - 1, Fedor was already at 19-1, one loss that's considered by many as NC, which was only counted as a loss just because it was a tournament..

Then, Frank Mir got into an accident, like I believe in that same year, and on his first fight back, he looked god awful as well, when Fedor was back then widely considered the pound for pound best, and the greatest of all time.

Only window of time that briefly existed may have been after he won against Tim Sylvia, but to say that there was a significant interest in that fight, not just a sudden spike in interest fresh of an impressive win, in my opinion, doesn't do a fair justice to how highly regarded Fedor was, and how much of a gap there was between two fighters in their primes, which considerablly differed in its heights/intensity and duration.

It feels almost comical how Frank Mir, his fans, so called journalists, and whoever out there, try to spin it as if this fight was some legendary fight that people clamoured for but never happened, and I argue it never was.

For me, Fedor is the greatest of all time. At least, the top 3, the very least.

Frank Mir, for me, is a guy who was a talented fighter, but unfortunately his prime did not last long due to an accident, and I have all the respect for him for what he went through, and a good solid fighter who had some big fights and did turn things around to a degree. But, nothing more or less.

I mean, whatever floats their boats, but when some people try to compare Lamborgini to a Civic, rather a nice car, and pretend as if they are of a same quality, it just rubs me the wrong way.

With that said, NOW, I don't know if I would bet on Fedor winning. He looks like utter garbage in his training vids..and as much as Mir would like this to have any bearing whatsoever on their standings in history, it shouldn't.
 
Mir wasn't seen as a challenge because his striking was shit and people just assumed if Big Nog couldn't sub Fedor in 2.5 fights, Mir had no hope.

Mir was like the 7th best heavyweight...at best.
 
This is false, but I see this being regurgitated by a lot of people over and over and over as if it's some fact, not just by people here, but I think even by Mir and some journalists, whom really doesn't know what they are really talking about a lot of times other than their journalism degree, and I never really understood why anyone take those guys seriously, any more than these made up stats and rankings and all that shit that they just seemed to have come up with out of their ass to fill the space,

Sometimes, when people say something enough times by enough number of people and when it's not clear, what's true or false, it almost becomes, in people's minds, a fact, more concrete than any first hand experience.

Frank Mir started his career in 2001. When Fedor was the number 1 heavyweight of the world in 2003, as shown by the FightMatrix, Frank Mir was 5 - 1.

When Frank Mir pulled off an upset against Tim Sylvia, at 8 - 1, Fedor was already at 19-1, one loss that's considered by many as NC, which was only counted as a loss just because it was a tournament..

Then, Frank Mir got into an accident, like I believe in that same year, and on his first fight back, he looked god awful as well, when Fedor was back then widely considered the pound for pound best, and the greatest of all time.

Only window of time that briefly existed may have been after he won against Tim Sylvia, but to say that there was a significant interest in that fight, not just a sudden spike in interest fresh of an impressive win, in my opinion, doesn't do a fair justice to how highly regarded Fedor was, and how much of a gap there was between two fighters in their primes, which considerablly differed in its heights/intensity and duration.

It feels almost comical how Frank Mir, his fans, so called journalists, and whoever out there, try to spin it as if this fight was some legendary fight that people clamoured for but never happened, and I argue it never was.

For me, Fedor is the greatest of all time. At least, the top 3, the very least.

Frank Mir, for me, is a guy who was a talented fighter, but unfortunately his prime did not last long due to an accident, and I have all the respect for him for what he went through, and a good solid fighter who had some big fights and did turn things around to a degree. But, nothing more or less.

I mean, whatever floats their boats, but when some people try to compare Lamborgini to a Civic, rather a nice car, and pretend as if they are of a same quality, it just rubs me the wrong way.

With that said, NOW, I don't know if I would bet on Fedor winning. He looks like utter garbage in his training vids..and as much as Mir would like this to have any bearing whatsoever on their standings in history, it shouldn't.

Since the start of Mir's UFC career, there was one match with much interest, both from PRIDE and UFC fans:

Mir vs Big Nog.

Yes you're correct, Fedor-Mir never has been discussed as dream match . And yes, Fedor-Sylvia was.
 
Since the start of Mir's UFC career, there was one match with much interest, both from PRIDE and UFC fans:

Mir vs Big Nog.

Yes you're correct, Fedor-Mir never has been discussed as dream match . And yes, Fedor-Sylvia was.

Yeah people wanted Tim Fedor fight.

Hindsight 20/20, but Tim was a beast, a boring one, but a beast nonetheless
 
This is false, but I see this being regurgitated by a lot of people over and over and over as if it's some fact, not just by people here, but I think even by Mir and some journalists, whom really doesn't know what they are really talking about a lot of times other than their journalism degree, and I never really understood why anyone take those guys seriously, any more than these made up stats and rankings and all that shit that they just seemed to have come up with out of their ass to fill the space,

Sometimes, when people say something enough times by enough number of people and when it's not clear, what's true or false, it almost becomes, in people's minds, a fact, more concrete than any first hand experience.

Frank Mir started his career in 2001. When Fedor was the number 1 heavyweight of the world in 2003, as shown by the FightMatrix, Frank Mir was 5 - 1.

When Frank Mir pulled off an upset against Tim Sylvia, at 8 - 1, Fedor was already at 19-1, one loss that's considered by many as NC, which was only counted as a loss just because it was a tournament..

Then, Frank Mir got into an accident, like I believe in that same year, and on his first fight back, he looked god awful as well, when Fedor was back then widely considered the pound for pound best, and the greatest of all time.

Only window of time that briefly existed may have been after he won against Tim Sylvia, but to say that there was a significant interest in that fight, not just a sudden spike in interest fresh of an impressive win, in my opinion, doesn't do a fair justice to how highly regarded Fedor was, and how much of a gap there was between two fighters in their primes, which considerablly differed in its heights/intensity and duration.

It feels almost comical how Frank Mir, his fans, so called journalists, and whoever out there, try to spin it as if this fight was some legendary fight that people clamoured for but never happened, and I argue it never was.

For me, Fedor is the greatest of all time. At least, the top 3, the very least.

Frank Mir, for me, is a guy who was a talented fighter, but unfortunately his prime did not last long due to an accident, and I have all the respect for him for what he went through, and a good solid fighter who had some big fights and did turn things around to a degree. But, nothing more or less.

I mean, whatever floats their boats, but when some people try to compare Lamborgini to a Civic, rather a nice car, and pretend as if they are of a same quality, it just rubs me the wrong way.

With that said, NOW, I don't know if I would bet on Fedor winning. He looks like utter garbage in his training vids..and as much as Mir would like this to have any bearing whatsoever on their standings in history, it shouldn't.

When Mir was 8-1 before the accident, the 1 loss was extremely controversial. They had just outlawed kicks to the head on the ground, and McCarthy spaced out when Freeman kicked Mir in the face to escape a leg lock. This after McCarthy did nothing about a fence grab that kept Mir from taking Freeman down earlier.

And Fedor's loss was due to a controversial doctor's stoppage.

So really neither guy would have had a legitimate loss on their way to the Pride and UFC titles, had they fought before Mir's accident.

You can't honestly believe that wouldn't have been the biggest fight ever up to that point.
 
Then, Frank Mir got into an accident, like I believe in that same year, and on his first fight back, he looked god awful as well, when Fedor was back then widely considered the pound for pound best, and the greatest of all time.

Only window of time that briefly existed may have been after he won against Tim Sylvia....

very brief


...but to say that there was a significant interest in that fight, not just a sudden spike in interest fresh of an impressive win, in my opinion, doesn't do a fair justice to how highly regarded Fedor was, and how much of a gap there was between two fighters in their primes, which considerablly differed in its heights/intensity and duration.

you got it all wrong. it isn't that people didn't give Fedor credit when they didn't clamor for a Mir/Fedor bout; it's that they didn't give Mir credit.

and then he got into his accident, and the few people that were interested soon weren't.
 
Mir is going to get flatlined. If Fedor can knockdown Mitrione in 1 minute Mir is screwed. Prime Black Beast couldn't instantly knockdown Mitrione with his power.

Mir gets starched by 5 foot 9 Hunt; and gets kneed to Bolivia by Josh Barnett of all people.
 
Mir is going to get flatlined. If Fedor can knockdown Mitrione in 1 minute Mir is screwed. Prime Black Beast couldn't instantly knockdown Mitrione with his power.

Mir gets starched by 5 foot 9 Hunt; and gets kneed to Bolivia by Josh Barnett of all people.

Did you see Fedor's training vids? Shockingly absurdly looking bad
Fedor can win, but..
 
Yeah people wanted Tim Fedor fight.

Hindsight 20/20, but Tim was a beast, a boring one, but a beast nonetheless

Sadly, we will never know how really good prime Big Timmeh was.

When he easily beat Ricco, Ricco was a beast himself. But was he? Or he already started his "cocaine diet"? We'll never know.
 
Sadly, we will never know how really good prime Big Timmeh was.

When he easily beat Ricco, Ricco was a beast himself. But was he? Or he already started his "cocaine diet"? We'll never know.

Tim is good. I had a bad feeling when he got that fight against that old boxing world champ, who I think probably wasn't that much worse than prime JDS with his hands even at that point. Match ups are everything, I think they just underestimated him, for me
that was a career changing fight right there.
 
Tim is good. I had a bad feeling when he got that fight against that old boxing world champ, who I think probably wasn't that much worse than prime JDS with his hands even at that point. Match ups are everything, I think they just underestimated him, for me
that was a career changing fight right there.

Oh yes it was.
It also made huge impact over Fedor's win over Sylvia, and made Lesnaroids run wild and calling Fedor a can/can crusher.
 
There was better fights to be made at that time. Fedor v Couture and Fedor v Brock where the fights people wanted to see.
 
Mir is going to get flatlined. If Fedor can knockdown Mitrione in 1 minute Mir is screwed. Prime Black Beast couldn't instantly knockdown Mitrione with his power.

Mir gets starched by 5 foot 9 Hunt; and gets kneed to Bolivia by Josh Barnett of all people.
That was uhhh USADA Mir
 
This is false, but I see this being regurgitated by a lot of people over and over and over as if it's some fact, not just by people here, but I think even by Mir and some journalists, whom really doesn't know what they are really talking about a lot of times other than their journalism degree, and I never really understood why anyone take those guys seriously, any more than these made up stats and rankings and all that shit that they just seemed to have come up with out of their ass to fill the space,

Sometimes, when people say something enough times by enough number of people and when it's not clear, what's true or false, it almost becomes, in people's minds, a fact, more concrete than any first hand experience.

Frank Mir started his career in 2001. When Fedor was the number 1 heavyweight of the world in 2003, as shown by the FightMatrix, Frank Mir was 5 - 1.

When Frank Mir pulled off an upset against Tim Sylvia, at 8 - 1, Fedor was already at 19-1, one loss that's considered by many as NC, which was only counted as a loss just because it was a tournament..

Then, Frank Mir got into an accident, like I believe in that same year, and on his first fight back, he looked god awful as well, when Fedor was back then widely considered the pound for pound best, and the greatest of all time.

Only window of time that briefly existed may have been after he won against Tim Sylvia, but to say that there was a significant interest in that fight, not just a sudden spike in interest fresh of an impressive win, in my opinion, doesn't do a fair justice to how highly regarded Fedor was, and how much of a gap there was between two fighters in their primes, which considerablly differed in its heights/intensity and duration.

It feels almost comical how Frank Mir, his fans, so called journalists, and whoever out there, try to spin it as if this fight was some legendary fight that people clamoured for but never happened, and I argue it never was.

For me, Fedor is the greatest of all time. At least, the top 3, the very least.

Frank Mir, for me, is a guy who was a talented fighter, but unfortunately his prime did not last long due to an accident, and I have all the respect for him for what he went through, and a good solid fighter who had some big fights and did turn things around to a degree. But, nothing more or less.

I mean, whatever floats their boats, but when some people try to compare Lamborgini to a Civic, rather a nice car, and pretend as if they are of a same quality, it just rubs me the wrong way.

With that said, NOW, I don't know if I would bet on Fedor winning. He looks like utter garbage in his training vids..and as much as Mir would like this to have any bearing whatsoever on their standings in history, it shouldn't.
Nicely put
 
I pay $70 a month to AT&T so I can stream everything free of charge.
 
It's Frank Mir. pfft
you say that now.

but when he beat Sylvia he had just come off beating Tank and Sims (who he couldn't sub....shockingly) and a bad, bad loss from Freeman.

post 2009 when he beat Brock & Nog, we see him in a new light.

but between 2003 and 2009....meh. he had a small handful of very strong supporters. even after getting his ass handed to him by Vera.

so all i'm saying is, yes i agree with you, it was not unheard of for a small group of people who wanted this fight for a very brief period in the several weeks between him beating Sylvia and Mir.

you're technically correct. i'm just adding the all important context.

and i think he'll probably win this weekend. Fedor has simply fallen much steeper than Mir in the last decade.
 
Good thread TS. Literally no one was clamoring for a Fedor/Mir fight during the Pride era. It was always Fedor/Couture then it became Fedor/Bork. Mir was regarded as that guy who broke Tim Sylvia's arm and got stomped out by Wes Sims, that's about it, no one thought of him as a top 5 HW worldwide. He was lucky if he was barely viewed as top 10. Actually thinking back on it, I don't think he was even considered top 10. And that's not really Mir's fault, it's just the UFC HW division was that bad when he won his strap and then he had the unfortunate motorcycle accident
 
Back
Top