There is 1 difference between First and Second JDS vs Cain Fight

[nbknas]

One of the major things people tend to forget is the impact of a great punch.

Sonnen rocked Silva with a really powerful punch followed up by some ground and pound that hurt Silva enough to no longer be in control of the fight. Obviously as the GOAT, he always finds a way to win which is why he is the best.(there are better examples out there where someone gets hurt from a huge punch and can`t recover)

in 90% of the fights, you get knocked down by a real heavy shot, you kind of lose it for the fight, you are no longer the same and can`t think straight.

Now what is the difference between the first and second fight of Cain and JDS?

They both got hit early with a hard shot that staggered them BIG TIME... the only difference is that While Cain got knocked out, JDS survived it, but was no longer able to properly fight, he just stuck there on heart and Cain couldn`t finish.. but he paid the price by getting a nasty beating.. if Cain had KOed JDS, we would be talking about a rubber match as 1 ko vs 1 ko

I guess what I`m trying to say is that if JDS had landed that exact punch on Cain in the 2nd fight, chances are JDS would have KOed him.

So respect to both and the rubber match is gonna be great once JDS KOs his next opponent.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

i agreed with your other thread, and i kind of see where you're going, but there were lots of differences

cain mentioned the prep and training was way different which affected his performance
cain got hit but he pressed forward the whole time, as i thought he should - tired junior out and kept junior from planting and throwing really effective shots, unlike the first fight where he got countered and ko'd with one shot when jds totally planted and threw a huge strike - big difference
junior seems to have an unreal chin, in the first fight, he didnt really take any punishment

etc. etc.

 

[nbknas]

i agreed with your other thread, and i kind of see where you're going, but there were lots of differences

cain mentioned the prep and training was way different which affected his performance
cain got hit but he pressed forward the whole time, as i thought he should - tired junior out and kept junior from planting and throwing really effective shots

junior seems to have an unreal chin, in the first fight, he didnt really take any punishment

etc. etc.

but the point is.. if Cain had knocked out JDS with that first punch, sort of like JDS did in the first fight.. it would have been the same kind of KO and people would talk of a rubber match.

the problem is that JDS survived it but was still out of it for the whole fight so he got beat up for it.. you can blame injuries for this and that, it doesnt matter, a punch that lands is a punch that lands.

 

[spid3yo]

Don't like your example because Silva came out each round fast and strong, it was more the barrage of strikes and top control that drained him not the single strike.

Better examples would be GSP/Koscheck and Bendo/Diaz

 

[D10]

Cain was very lucky this fight

 

[nbknas]

Don't like your example because Silva came out each round fast and strong, it was more the barrage of strikes and top control that drained him not the single strike.

Better examples would be GSP/Koscheck and Bendo/Diaz

Well Silva does have better recovery, but i truly believe that the first hit kind of got him out of it for a lot of the fight, but he was nowhere near as hurt as JDS was. And Silva had that rib injury so bobbing and weaving isn`t that fun.

But you get my point, you can use many examples.

 

[nbknas]

Cain was very lucky this fight

I don`t think so, he was smart in going for many shoots early on that put JDS`s hands down which cause the huge punch to land.. If JDs would have been finished right there and then, we would be talking about a rematch.

 

[Auz]

Silva was definitely dazed from the punch, but I don't think he was that rocked

He was able to move with the punches after that

 

[D10]

I don`t think so, he was smart in going for many shoots early on that put JDS`s hands down which cause the huge punch to land.. If JDs would have been finished right there and then, we would be talking about a rematch.

Exacly, even when everything goes right for cain he cant even finish JDS, thats why it was a fluke

 

[nbknas]

Exacly, even when everything goes right for cain he cant even finish JDS, thats why it was a fluke

Well some fighters don`t have KO power or JDS has a great chin, could be a combination of both.. you either have KO power or you don`t.. i`ve been punched by muscular heavyweights and i`m 170 and they don`t have power while i`ve been staggered by 160 pounder.

 

[D10]

Well some fighters don`t have KO power or JDS has a great chin, could be a combination of both.. you either have KO power or you don`t.. i`ve been punched by muscular heavyweights and i`m 170 and they don`t have power while i`ve been staggered by 160 pounder.

Cain is just inferior, luck doesnt last forever and Cigano will be champ again

 

[ncboy]

There was more than 1 difference. One's that were far more important than a single punch.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

but the point is.. if Cain had knocked out JDS with that first punch, sort of like JDS did in the first fight.. it would have been the same kind of KO and people would talk of a rubber match.

the problem is that JDS survived it but was still out of it for the whole fight so he got beat up for it.. you can blame injuries for this and that, it doesnt matter, a punch that lands is a punch that lands.

yea, i dont really buy into the fact that the one punch changed everything - i think he was already tiring before that, and so the punch wasnt in any way lucky, it was part of cain's gameplan to tire out junior and then get takedowns and land big strikes while junior is backing up

junior of course was affected by the punch, but he seemed to even come on stronger toward the end of the fight - i think its reasonable to assume that he was out of it for a while, but you see guys like edgar able to perform well after taking a lot of punishment - junior was sapped of energy and that was the game plan - the punch was a culmiination of a lot of pressure and cain remaining unpredictable - junior seems to have an incredible chin, and everything was part of the sustained damage he took, i dont put everything on that one punch

much different to me than the first fight where junior ladned one punch and that was a wrap

 

[nbknas]

There was more than 1 difference. One's that were far more important than a single punch.

so you mean to tell me that if Cain had knocked out JDS with that 1 punch the way that JDS did to him, that the fight wouldn`t have been identical and people would be talking about a rubber match?

 

[ncboy]

Only 2 decisions in 12 fights and people question his power? seriously?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Cain simply overwhelmed JDS. He pushed the pace and JDS couldn't keep up.

 

[HandsofGlory]

JDS did not block a single punch to the face. That was his main problem in my opinion. He backed up the entire fight with his hands down thinking about takedowns.

 

[TheMadHatter]

the winner?

 

[countswagula]

Sonnen's knockdown punch didn't look all that hard to be honest, his wrestling did almost all the work in that fight.

 

[extremefreestyl]

Well Silva does have better recovery, but i truly believe that the first hit kind of got him out of it for a lot of the fight, but he was nowhere near as hurt as JDS was. And Silva had that rib injury so bobbing and weaving isn`t that fun.

But you get my point, you can use many examples.

I don t know about the rib Injury. rd one of fight 2 looked just like 4-1/2 rds of the first fight. Sure wish Sonnen wouldn't have tripped doing a stupid spinning backfist would have been a better fight. JDS needs cardio Roy n