Media The Weasle's take on Khabib Vs Gleison

AndrewGolota48 said:
Very interesting, so in a fight where one guy's entire goal was to take another man down, and he got zero takedowns, yet he himself got taken down twice, he still wins because he....tried harder? A for effort is a judging criteria in MMA, very interesting.

Perhaps we should value how many pass attempts QBs have or how many shots a basketball player takes rather than simply counting when they actually score. Or time of possession because it shows "field control".
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it is a fight, not a wrestling match mate. You dont win fight by defending 99 per cent of the time. Judges gave the win to the fighter who was here to fight, trying to create action.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Very interesting, so in a fight where one guy's entire goal was to take another man down, and he got zero takedowns, yet he himself got taken down twice, he still wins because he....tried harder? A for effort is a judging criteria in MMA, very interesting.

Perhaps we should value how many pass attempts QBs have or how many shots a basketball player takes rather than simply counting when they actually score. Or time of possession because it shows "field control".
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You don’t get points in basketball for blocking a shot, or points in football for stopping a run or making a pass incomplete.

Defense does not equal Offense in any sport; it creates an opportunity for Offense, but it’s a separate achievement.

The only thing that ultimately matters is point scored AKA offense. While Tibeau did great defending throughout the fight he had very little offense attempted and that is why he lost every round on every judges scorecard. If he did a little more each round in striking he arguably could’ve won, but was focused primarily on stopping takedowns at all costs.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Very interesting, so in a fight where one guy's entire goal was to take another man down, and he got zero takedowns, yet he himself got taken down twice, he still wins because he....tried harder? A for effort is a judging criteria in MMA, very interesting.

Perhaps we should value how many pass attempts QBs have or how many shots a basketball player takes rather than simply counting when they actually score. Or time of possession because it shows "field control".
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You don’t win a fight by just preventing what the other guy is trying to do, you have to mount some kind of offense. Tibau literally did nothing, he just backed up the entire fight. And technically he only got 1 takedown with about 3 seconds of control, whoopty do.
 
TheMMAnalyst said:
You don’t get points in basketball for blocking a shot, or points in football for stopping a run or making a pass incomplete.

Defense does not equal Offense in any sport; it creates an opportunity for Offense, but it’s a separate achievement.

The only thing that ultimately matters is point scored AKA offense. While Tibeau did great defending throughout the fight he had very little offense attempted and that is why he lost every round on every judges scorecard. If he did a little more each round in striking he arguably could’ve won, but was focused primarily on stopping takedowns at all costs.
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Never said Tibau should get points for defending, nor should Khabib get points for trying. In a fight where virtually nothing happened, Tibau won the takedown battle.
 
moosaev said:
You don’t win a fight by just preventing what the other guy is trying to do, you have to mount some kind of offense. Tibau literally did nothing, he just backed up the entire fight.
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Sure but Khabib did even less. Tibau at least got a couple takedowns.
 
Beherit said:
it is a fight, not a wrestling match mate. You dont win fight by defending 99 per cent of the time. Judges gave the win to the fighter who was here to fight, trying to create action.
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You mean clinging to a guy repeatedly and just stalling the fight as opposed to the standup fight Tibau wanted?
 
Pretty clear win for Tibau, scored a couple of TDs, defended all of Khabib's TDs and hit him with the hardest strikes.

Dude doesn't know what he is talking about.
 
moosaev said:
That’s not true, Khabib went after Tibau, threw strikes, pinned him against the cage and generally controlled the initiative. He did way more.
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Threw strikes only to close the difference and panic stall, he had no intention of truly standing.

For the record I think modern Khabib would slaughter even that version of Tibau, but Khabib was different back then.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Threw strikes only to close the difference and panic stall, he had no intention of truly standing.
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It’s not kickboxing or boxing, it’s MMA. You don’t get extra credit for keeping the fight standing bud.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Never said Tibau should get points for defending, nor should Khabib get points for trying. In a fight where virtually nothing happened, Tibau won the takedown battle.
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You referenced QB’s getting points for incomplete passes or basketball players getting points for dribbling, so trying to extrapolate to other sports seems illogical since there is no interpretive scoring.

There was enough attempted offense by Khabib throughout the fight outside of takedowns, which is why he won. If it was a pure wrestling match we’d score it differently, but then it wouldn’t have looked the same.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Octagon control is supposed to used extremely rarely, only in situations where effective striking/grappling are 100% equal. Neither had very effective striking, Tibau had more effective grappling by virtue of ACTUALLY SCORING TWO TAKEDOWNS.
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No, it is not used extremely rarely. A three trike difference across three rounds is usually considered insignificant by the judges. And takedowns don't win you the grappling if you still end up backing up and getting controlled for most of the rounds.

But you are obviously confused and trying to judge this fight by the current scoring criteria. This fight took place in 2012, before the rules were overhauled and focus was placed on "the result of action (versus action itself)". According to the old rules, Khabib's control and aggression were clearly the deciding factors. Under the new rules, I would give Tibau one round - under the old rules, it was a Khabib sweep, no question.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
Very interesting, so in a fight where one guy's entire goal was to take another man down, and he got zero takedowns, yet he himself got taken down twice, he still wins because he....tried harder? A for effort is a judging criteria in MMA, very interesting.

Perhaps we should value how many pass attempts QBs have or how many shots a basketball player takes rather than simply counting when they actually score. Or time of possession because it shows "field control".
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Khabib smashed Connor ... deal with it kid.

Connor smashed ALDO, deal with it haters,
 
Here we go. Discussing a fight that happened 9 years ago.
 
who? Some random YouTuber?
 
Round 1 Tibau doubled Khabib in total strikes landed, defended all takedown attempts, and spent over 3 minutes of the round walking Khabib down. Easy round for Tibau.

Round 2 the striking was much closer with Khabib having a narrow striking advantage. No takedowns from either guy, close round, but this one goes to Khabib.

Round 3 Tibau nearly doubled Khabib in strikes landed again and completes the only takedown of the fight. Khabib gets stuffed in his only takedown attempt this round. Easy round for Tibau.

The judges got this one wrong.
 
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