The wasted GOAT potential of Cain Velasquez

Cain Velasquez was god's chosen heavyweight. It is so incredibly rare that all three sections of the culture (Fans, Fighters, Promotion) are all unanimous in their adoration of a single fighter, but Cain Velasquez was that guy. He looked invincible, his losses were easily explained away, when he won, he won big, there was clearly a drive behind him that could get him to do anything. If there was ever a fighter who was more slated to be crowned HW GOAT over Fedor eventually, it would have been Cain Velasquez, but it wasn't meant to be.
 
Not A Real Fan said:
14-2

Fought in the UFC from his third professional fight onward

2x HW champ

Avenged his first loss twice a la GSP. But unlike GSP's, Cain's first loss was flukey.

Big Nog, Brock, JDS x 2, Bigfoot x 2, Rothwell, Browne, etc.

He would have beaten Werdum next week

Had he not been injured so many times, it's fair to say he would have a record of 20+ wins at this point.

Had he beaten Stipe, he would have been a 3 time HW champ. If he subsequently defended the title two more times, he would break the HW defense record. Four more times to break the HW consecutive defense record.

It's s shame.
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Its a shame for sure

But training smart and healthy is part of the game.

Staying in shape all year round and not getting fat between fights and trying to make up so much ground in a camp.
 
He just could not let go of the burritos

edit....he is also not the GOAT of HW, maybe top 5, not enough fights, Fedor has more than 30 fights, fought the best in their prime and beat then convincingly, Jon Jones is the most dominant fighter of all time along with Fedor, a young prime Fedor that is.
 
Cain in form is one of the best fighters MMA has had. People can deny it but when he wins he absolutely dominates the opponent no matter who it is.
 
hes beaten 3 guys in 6 years. You cant be considered a goat at that rate. Say what you want about Fedor, he might have fought some cans but he fucking fought..and won.
 
Der Eisbar said:
Who said it's a requirement to be a goat to have good standing defense? Fedor has piss poor standing defense , got knocked out standing against fujita and maldo fucking nado and he's the hw goat.

The point of the OP is that we never really saw Cains ceiling because
A) the first fight against junior was a fluke which was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. His striking defense is "dogshit" yet he completely annihilated the best hw boxer the division has ever seen for 50 minutes. What???
B) his second loss, he clearly fucked up by coming into Mexico city late and not being acclimated. This isn't an excuse or bullshit, it is complete scientific fact and standard throughout combat sports to acclimate to high altitude before a fight in high altitude. He made an amateur mistake, didn't acclimate, and did something Cain has never done (gas in the first round).

So his only two losses were undeniable flukes/mistakes and other than that, Cain Velasquez has blown every fighter he's ever faced completely out of the fucking water. Yes he had potential to be the HW goat and squandered it with bad choices and bad training
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Neither of his losses were flukes... Can we please stop this ridiculous sentiment.
 
There was no chance of him being the HW GOAT let alone the overall GOAT. No HW does. What Fedor achieved was something special and with HW's of today nobody seems to be in line for HW GOAT.
 
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Lol at JDS 1 'a fluke'. Like JDS isn't a great mma-boxer that knocked so many people out.
 
Game knows game. Real knows real. GOAT recognizes GOAT....GOAT GUERNICA can tell you unequivocally that glass body cain ain't no GOAT.

#GUERNICAbless
 
JsinLegacy said:
Neither of his losses were flukes... Can we please stop this ridiculous sentiment.
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I just gave detailed reasons why they were. Why don't you explain why they're not instead of just saying they're not dumb dumb
 
At this point i just really hope he still gets to rematch Werdum down the line...
 
GAR said:
He just could not let go of the burritos

edit....he is also not the GOAT of HW, maybe top 5, not enough fights, Fedor has more than 30 fights, fought the best in their prime and beat then convincingly, Jon Jones is the most dominant fighter of all time along with Fedor, a young prime Fedor that is.
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bjpenngoat said:
hes beaten 3 guys in 6 years. You cant be considered a goat at that rate. Say what you want about Fedor, he might have fought some cans but he fucking fought..and won.
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Holy shit! Who said Cain was the GOAT? I never did.

The whole point of this thread is to grieve his wasted GOAT potential. If a long layoffs/injury-prone Cain achieved so much imagine what a healthy Cain could have achieved? Or are we to believe that a healthy Cain would have done worse than a non-healthy Cain?
 
Not A Real Fan said:
14-2

Fought in the UFC from his third professional fight onward

2x HW champ

Avenged his first loss twice a la GSP. But unlike GSP's, Cain's first loss was flukey.

Big Nog, Brock, JDS x 2, Bigfoot x 2, Rothwell, Browne, etc.

He would have beaten Werdum next week

Had he not been injured so many times, it's fair to say he would have a record of 20+ wins at this point.

Had he beaten Stipe, he would have been a 3 time HW champ. If he subsequently defended the title two more times, he would break the HW defense record. Four more times to break the HW consecutive defense record.

It's s shame.

EDIT: If long layoffs/injury-prone Cain achieved so much imagine what a healthy Cain could have achieved? Or are we to believe that a healthy Cain would have done worse than a non-healthy Cain?
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So what exactly told you that he was going to beat Werdum after getting smashed by him in the first fight?
 
AKA's dilemma's are a big part of the reason I think we'll see more MMA fighters training like boxers. I don't think it's in the near future, but I think these big name camps will slowly die off, or be geared towards training individuals as individuals rather than training a team.
 
Der Eisbar said:
Who said it's a requirement to be a goat to have good standing defense? Fedor has piss poor standing defense , got knocked out standing against fujita and maldo fucking nado and he's the hw goat.
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Actually, Fedor maintained one of the lowest strikes absorbed percentages up until his brawling in SF. Fedor was very elusive/ defensive back in the day. Part of what got him in trouble (he held his hands lower as his career progressed).
 
ShreddinMMA said:
Actually, Fedor maintained one of the lowest strikes absorbed percentages up until his brawling in SF. Fedor was very elusive/ defensive back in the day. Part of what got him in trouble (he held his hands lower as his career progressed).
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Fedor has mediocre striking defense. This isn't very arguable. He got knocked out standing by fujita. He has such a low strikes absorbed because he spent most fights dominating opponents on the ground
 
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