Opinion The War On Drugs: Modern Day Prohibition

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  1. Blackjack

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    At some point you would think the government would realize that criminalizing consensual acts does not work. It never has worked. Our government has such a punitive mentaliity that we lead the world in incarceration. They really enjoy punishing people; otherwise they'd be spending all that time, money, and effort to help addicts rather than hurt them.

    Meanwhile as long as they continue this pointless war, they provide the drug cartels with the opportunity to make billions of dollars. As soon as they shut down one cartel, one or two new ones take its place. As long as the opportunity to make that much money is there, there will always be people willing to take the risk of drug trafficking, manufacturing, dealing, etc. Decriminalizing drugs puts them out of business.

    Not that we want to promote drug use but there are always going to be some people who will persist in getting high. If it were decriminalized at least they'd know what they're buying. When you go to a bar and order a shot of liquor you know what's in it. Imagine not having any way of knowing what they're serving you. Imagine not knowing if the liquor in that shot glass is 40 proof or 150 proof, if it even has alcohol in it, or if it has something else entirely which will kill you within seconds of drinking it. That's the situation our government has created for addicts of all other drugs except alcohol.
     
  2. Don Hagliatelli

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    I think it's hard to argue against it.

    The scaremongering that decriminalisation would lead to an increase in the number of addicts and an associated crime wave has been shown to be false.

    I think there are only a couple of groups who appose it.

    People who profit from prohibition, e.g. tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical companies. Plus private prisons who want as many people locked up as possible.

    The other group are the puritans, conservatives etc. Either they still believe and the rubbish that's been said about this, or they've said so much themselves they can't back down now without losing face.

    It's just a matter of time until this happens.

    Public opinion has already turned and support grows as more evidence becomes available.

    People see the war on drugs as not only futile, but a huge waste of money that has a detrimental impact on society.
     
  3. YourOnlineHero

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    If heroin were decriminalised, how do you propose heroin addicts buy their heroin?

    Will pharmacies stock it?

    Will heroin addicts over pay to "know what they are getting?"

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. misterfurious

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    I’m a conservative and I think the war on drugs is stupid beyond belief. Legalize all of it; I don’t care if I have to step over dead addicts on the street. They made their choices.
     
  5. Ottawaguy

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    Drugs and prostitution will never go away because of the money involved. They have both been around for a long time, and after insane amounts spent on the war on drugs it is just as easy to get.

    I agree that money spend on treatment would be better spent, but we still need enforcement to help keep kids from getting their hands on it.

    Many adults don't want treatment and only care about getting high, and it's really hard to help someone who doesn't want to be helped. But scumbags who get kids hooked up should rot in jail.
     
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  7. Son of Jamin

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    Imagine a world where the money spent on the war on drugs could be allocated to proper information about drugs and quality care for drug abusers as well as preventive measures instead?

    Imagine a world where the police could allocate its resources to real crimes rather than petty drug related crimes?

    Imagine a world where drugs were sold under regulated conditions and heavily taxed, it would lead to fewer drug related deaths due to cleaner drugs and more money in the government's coffin instead of in the hands of criminals?
     
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  8. BudKing8806

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    I'm in the legalize everything group. The war on drugs is just fueling the black market. If some people OD and die, so be it. There are too many addicts running around as it is.
     
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    Peter Reuter and Ruth Dreifuss received a prestigious award from Stockholm university recently for their effective method to combat rampant drug abuse in Switzerland. In 1994, as an interior minister, she implemented free heroine assisted therapy under controlled forms. It lead to a massive decrease in crime and fewer drug related deaths.
     
  10. TrumpSupporter

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    i say we all keep killing ourselves with irish scotch like real men
     
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    Never heard of it and don't have the time to look into it too much. But I think that's the right way to go about it. Tax funded, controlled access to the substance and therapy in one package that is free to the user.

    Irish scotch? Oh wow.
     
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  12. Cid

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    Decriminalized means it's still illegal to sell but it's legal to buy and use.

    It's an fantasy solution because people are too sold on the drugs are bad rhetoric and unable to realize that a legal system actually represents an amazing opportunity to massively influence the drug choices people are going to make.

    Drugs should be produced and sold by the government. I"m sure the conspiracy theorists will go nuts over it but it's typically the bottom line of the government that is most effected by the cost of addiction. There's costs ranging from health issues, crime, unemployment etc etc associated with drug addiction that ensures that the government will attempt to run it in a way that isn't a straight commercial venture with an addictive substance but rather a system which takes into account the various differences between the drugs and attempts to guide people into using the drugs with incredibly low rates of addiction, minimal short term side effects, minimal long term side effects and minimal opportunity to overdose.

    Drugs like heroin should be diluted to a regular standard around the same if not slightly higher than that of regular street heroin. The appeal to joining the legal system isn't just the lack of criminality but the soundness of mind of actually taking drugs that are set to a standard of codes as to what percentage they are, what they're cut with etc so that the public can do them as safely as possible.

    With a greater level of safety and a lack of criminal repercussions to buying or consuming the heroin the illegal black market heroin will be destroyed. Black market heroin will be a dead business venture, criminal punishment will still stay the same for sale of it but the opportunity for low level dealers to sell heroin for a profit or even to support their own addiction will be neigh on impossible when put into competition against a market that is not only legal but has standards on purity and what the drug is cut with that people will actually trust.

    What % of low level drug dealers are going to risk massive incarceration terms for sale of a drug that 80-90% of their customers now obtain legally from the government?

    Next to none. There's massive risk and little to no reward.

    Initially heroin would be unrestricted or nearly unrestricted. It is one of the more addictive drugs out there so a minor amount of restriction may be enacted but it really can't be too much in an initial phase because destroying the black market is the goal. Within a few years the legal market will have a complete stranglehold on the industry.

    Finding illegal drug dealers will be not only more dangerous, illegal, unregulated it'll even be more inconvenient.

    At this point you really get a free reign as to what policies you can implement policies and strategies to reduce drug use/addiction with near impunity. Pricing policies related to addiction rates of the varying drugs, licensing policies etc etc.

    Not to mention you have an increased availability of drugs that have lower addiction rates, less short term health risks, less long term health risks, and lower rates of overdose which will impact which drugs people actually try to begin with.

    Right now there's weed, speed, MDMA, Mushrooms, LSD, Coke, Heroin, PCP, meth and maybe a handful of other drugs that are readily available. Legality has the opportunity to not only supply these drugs but dozens of others with lower addiction rates, lower long term health effects as competition.

    Given 50 drugs with lower addiction rates or heroin where you have to jump through some hoops/pay more and people won't even bother.
     
  13. Fluffernutter

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    America: Don't do drugs.

    Also America: I've got a prescription for whatever bothers you (or your child).
     
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    There is money involved simply because there is and will always be demand for drugs and prostitution.
    It is there because people want it and that's the only reason.
    If no1 wanted it, no1 would sell it and it would not be around.
     
  15. Cubo de Sangre

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    Great post.
     
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    Let see how the cartels handle a real contender, big pharma.
     
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    Pretty sure it exists for all the reasons you say it shouldn't.
     
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    find an old lady that looks like this and tell her that legalizing drugs is the right thing to do lol. she'll pray for you. its a F'ing hard argument to make, but its almost unquestionably the right one. who will stick their neck out to make that argument?
     
  19. freakroor

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    or because people like to get high and fuck.
     
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    I once did a shot of bacardi 151 as a dare. I asked for a 2nd and the bartender refused and said give it a minute. Thats all i remember
     
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