The UFC's ruleset is as anti-BJJ as it gets!

Regal Boy said:
I think the scoring system is overall just flawed. We should set up a scoring system that actually rewards specific moves and reversals and sweeps and takedowns and defending takedowns and landing shots etc. Not just "look" at the round and see who overall did better.

Like, sweeping from the bottom and getting mount should be +5 points. A knockdown strike that doesn't end in a knockout should be +8, a solid body kick should be +4, defending a takedown should be +5, getting a takedown should be +5, etc. The numbers I just wrote are obviously arbitrary but you get the jist, we should have an actual scoring system that rewards moves and such like they have in wrestling, jujitsu, and other combat sports.
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Combat sports are judged. That is just part if how it works. There is no time for a pure scoring system, nor a fair way to actually place a value to each technique or position.
 
Regal Boy said:
I'm in a master's program for mathematics at NYU.

Try again, retard.
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Who gives a fuck? I went to NYU undergrad as a National Merit Scholar and then got a top 20 law degree. You think academic math in a pre-doctorate program is going to impress me? Plus that math building is a g#d awful soviet styled monstrosity.
 
Pass guard, get mount, take the back, none of it matters...it’s all just 10-9.
 
They give you points for merely attempting a submission that causes no actual damage. What more do you want
 
Negator402 said:
Combat sports are judged. That is just part if how it works. There is no time for a pure scoring system, nor a fair way to actually place a value to each technique or position.
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I'm sure we could figure out a fair way to judge techniques and positions if we tried.
 
Regal Boy said:
I'm sure we could figure out a fair way to judge techniques and positions if we tried.
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I think that much like with any kind of government decisions as to someone's fitness to drive, own a gun, etc, you have a bias. Is that bias cured or worsened by a point system? Impossible to say. Frankly, can you IMAGINE the battle between striking advocates, wrestling advocates, and BJJ advocates to determine what the value of a blocked high kick, takedown and immediate stand up, or failed armor from the bottom are worth? It would be sheer madness.

You are letting your linear math logic seep into an art :)
 
Negator402 said:
I think that much like with any kind of government decisions as to someone's fitness to drive, own a gun, etc, you have a bias. Is that bias cured or worsened by a point system? Impossible to say. Frankly, can you IMAGINE the battle between striking advocates, wrestling advocates, and BJJ advocates to determine what the value of a blocked high kick, takedown and immediate stand up, or failed armor from the bottom are worth? It would be sheer madness.

You are letting your linear math logic seep into an art :)
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I'm a robot, beep boop, I demand a consistent logical system to understand what's happening, boop beep.

I'm tired of the damn wall and stall, it's fucking ruining many a fight. No good!
 
Regal Boy said:
I'm a robot, beep boop, I demand a consistent logical system to understand what's happening, boop beep.

I'm tired of the damn wall and stall, it's fucking ruining many a fight. No good!
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I agree! Which is why I like that the judges awarded Blachowicz the win over Jacare. That is the way to do it, score an unsuccessful cage grinding as stalling.
 
If you want the 10 min rds and starting the fight on the ground I say ok but bring back the headbutt and spiking to get out of subs.
 
Negator402 said:
Who gives a fuck? I went to NYU undergrad as a National Merit Scholar and then got a top 20 law degree. You think academic math in a pre-doctorate program is going to impress me? Plus that math building is a g#d awful soviet styled monstrosity.
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Snooty guy on a frigging forum parading his righteousness. Jesus you're the worst man you have no concelt of how much of an ant you are. You're a better slave than me. Well done
 
Jpenwell14 said:
I'm not trying to crap on you like other people on this forum. But you have to understand bjj guys making the adjustments to be effective against a resisting opponent in open space is good for the art overall. Consider the kron vs cub fight. Kron has to get better at leglocks and overhook throws if he ever has any hope of getting a guy like cub down. But that's okay because it will make kron a better fighter with more effective bjj
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Thaaaank you. I was thinking the same thing. Mma ruleset does not owe it to bjj guys to change the rules to accommodate them, they should work on their craft more. Why has jacare been so successful? It's because he adapted his game to mma and its ruleset and rounded out his game. The problem with jiu-jitsu guys is, like kron and the other Gracies, there's this obsession with winning fights with the exact same techniques they use on each other in practice, instead of learning to strike, wrestle, defend and cut out the less useful stuff and emphasizing the good stuff, like how Maia always goes for the rnc. Yeah he has a myriad of submissions he could go for but he always goes for the rear naked choke. I know that's got nothing to do with the ruleset, but it's an example of adapting. Fight starting on the feet bothering you? Hit Colby up and ask him to teach you how wrestle. And so on and so on
 
ImmigrantMentality said:
They give you points for merely attempting a submission that causes no actual damage. What more do you want
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It effects you mentally first off, secondly those joint locks make little tears in ligaments that effect fighters lives, especially when a fighter pumped with adrenaline is cranking to kill or be killed
 
PAPERCLIP30 said:
if only there was a combat sport out there that didn’t allow grappling. Oh well.
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If that sport was available to me every weekend with the same amount of coverage and repercussion in every day discourse you bet id be watching it instead.

Also, I'm exaggerating for comical value.

Im not 100% against wrestling. I think its fine, but it gets abused in mma to the detriment of excitment.

So changing the rules to make it a little bit anti-wrestling wouldnt be bad. It will still be there in full effect, but without the bad things that come with it

Imo best of both worlds
 
Kono dio da! said:
Thaaaank you. I was thinking the same thing. Mma ruleset does not owe it to bjj guys to change the rules to accommodate them, they should work on their craft more. Why has jacare been so successful? It's because he adapted his game to mma and its ruleset and rounded out his game. The problem with jiu-jitsu guys is, like kron and the other Gracies, there's this obsession with winning fights with the exact same techniques they use on each other in practice, instead of learning to strike, wrestle, defend and cut out the less useful stuff and emphasizing the good stuff, like how Maia always goes for the rnc. Yeah he has a myriad of submissions he could go for but he always goes for the rear naked choke. I know that's got nothing to do with the ruleset, but it's an example of adapting. Fight starting on the feet bothering you? Hit Colby up and ask him to teach you how wrestle. And so on and so on
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I just see distance management and perfecting the overhook as neccessary steps in bjj evolution. I'm not even neccesarily proposing the death of pure bjj. Just an understanding of what happens when you fight someone
 
UFC should be as real as it gets
no rounds, no time limit, no ref
just BLEED
 
I'd argue that banning headbutts, soccer kicks, and knees to the head of a grounded opponent is a huge advantage for BJJ specialists.

Otherwise, modern wrestler vs BJJ matchups would almost always end in KO by headbutts or knees to the head from top position.
 
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