The UFC pound-for-pound debate: Potential vs. Actuality

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  1. Lionheart7167

    Lionheart7167 Orange Belt

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    Listening to everyone speak about champions and pound-for-pound greatest fighters, I think something gets lost in the argument.

    A pound for pound fighter has to demonstrate their abilities against different fighters, fighting styles and fighting qualities OVER TIME. Jones, Silva, GSP and Fedor have a genuine claim to the title as they have demonstrated time and time again the ability to overcome a variety of obstacles.

    Someone like Chris Weidman is a fantastic fighter and has the POTENTIAL to be the GOAT, but to say that he is already is simply laughable. He has not demonstrated OVER TIME that he can meet the wide and diverse challenges presented in the form of fighter "puzzles". Yes, he unseated one of the pound for pound kings, but does that necessarily make him the GOAT? Absolutely NOT. Fighters get beat. That's a reality. Weidman certainly has a great record and he found the way to beat Silva but he hasn't fought many fights. He has not ACTUALIZED his greatness. That comes with time, and many challenges, mental and physical, along the way.

    Consider this. If Weidman lost his next fight, would you consider him to still be the GOAT? You wouldn't because you would have to concede he lost to Machida who clearly is not the GOAT (although a few of you might believe otherwise). Now lets presume he never got back on track after this loss. Hypothetically speaking, let's say that he never recovered from this loss, winning a few and losing a few. Could you say he was the greatest? NO!!! His legacy would ultimately be defined by his wins over Silva much like Douglas win over Tyson. Would anybody argue that Douglas was the GOAT in boxing? No, but many certainly argue that Tyson is. Just because you beat the best doesn't make you a GOAT. It MIGHT make you great, or perhaps lucky, or perhaps that fighter just figured out the other fighters style.

    The GREATEST are those that have demonstrated they are great for years. They have to PROVE it. Fighter's like Weidman, DJ, and the new breed of champions are certainly elite fighters, but they have yet to prove their sustainability. Only then can you champion a fighter as a GOAT. Otherwise, it's all just presumption and we're left to assume a fighter is something they have not proved themselves to be.
     
  2. SewerPirate

    SewerPirate Brown Belt

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    Who are these people calling Weidman the GOAT?
     
  3. PRIDEWASBETTER

    PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Why choose Weidman?

    Why not talk about Jones?
     
  4. tenniswhiz

    tenniswhiz Steel Belt

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    MM is P4P #1 and will be GOAT after a couple more wins.

    I used to dislike him, but now I'm in awe of his accomplishments.
     
  5. Jason AG

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    Tl dr but may read in the future
     
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    Jason AG Banned Banned

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    Tried to read but then u used the word laughable so i stopped, urbprobably a 15 year old with an oversized ego who has no idea what real life is like yet
     
  7. gravel

    gravel Yellow Belt

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    Do not agree. MM is dominating a very weak and shallow division so has note really been tested yet. Jones is dominating a very deep and strong division and has beaten many past champions.
     
  8. WeidmanPowerMMA

    WeidmanPowerMMA Orange Belt

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    In P4P list needs to be just 10 spaces, not numbered.. and 10 fighters in it.. That's P4P list.
     
  9. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    honestly, MM's wins over Dodson and Benavidez are just as good as wins over Gus, Glover, Rashad, Lyoto etc...

    Jones has been ruling an overrated division of guys with star powers. That's not to say that guys like Rampage and Shogun were never good, they were legitimately elite fighters in their primes, but unfortunately, they're past their primes. MM just has less volume of content than Jones, FlW's developing very impressively and he'll be there very soon, or at least the division will be

    also, FlW has only had one champ so far, how can you expect MM to beat former champs that don't exist? The only way that could happen is if they signed the former Shooto champs (Urushitani and Formiga aside) like Yamaguchi and Kojima.
     
  10. ch0rx

    ch0rx Purple Belt

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    Aldo, then Barao, then Weidman then Jones. That's real talk, homie.

    All are dominant at their weightclass. Weidman offered to fight Jones, and that shows balls and confidence in his abilities. Jones wants no piece of Cain.
     
  11. Zarathustra

    Zarathustra Special Advisor

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    I agree, but Aldo is #1 under either criterion.
     
  12. lluccas

    lluccas White Belt

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    only WW, MW LHW n HW can be consider GOAT...

    other divisions don't have the respect ... that's all...

    heavy guys have status... that's it in boxe, kickboxing, etc...

    tyson, holyfield, ali are GOAT against mayweather, pacquiao

    bonjasky, schilt, hoost are GOAT against any lighter fighter



    barao, aldo, MM and Pettis will never be remebered as GOAT in the future
     
  13. tenniswhiz

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    He KO'd a guy who was a former contender one division higher, and is the only guy to ever finish him.
    He defeated a guy who KO'd the current contender at 135 as well.

    And he also was a contender one division higher with some excellent wins.
    And he is now far better than he was back then...
     

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