The truth about Conor and Justin's title shot statuses

[johncola]

I'll compare the two fighters, in terms of the business, the sport, and the narrative.

Business-wise, Conor's obviously the superior option. No need to make much argument, unless someone disagrees. And this is why Dana prefers Conor to Justin.

Sport-wise, Conor is the better fighter. And he hasn't turned down fights like Gaethje. However, Gaethje has a good style to beat Khabib, and we've already seen Conor fight Khabib. So there are good arguments for both.

Narrative-wise, you need to look at the titles, rankings, and records. Conor is a two-division champion, which works in his favor. Conor has the better overall MMA record. Conor has the faster and superior victory over Cowboy. Conor has beaten the likes of Dustin and Eddie, each of whom has victories over Gaethje. And like it or not, Conor has the superior ranking, both divisionally and P4P. Justin has the longer win streak. Justin has more recent wins. Justin has more wins within the divisin. So you have to weigh all of these things.

Overall, maybe Gaethje should get the shot, but the argument for it isn't overwhelmingly strong, and you could just as easily argue that Conor is more deserving.

 

[DarkneT]

Bullshit

Conor fought Khabib and got his arse kicked up and down and finished in a non competitive fight somewhat recently

that puts him so far behind Justin let alone the fact Justin murdered cowboy first.

 

[johncola]

Bullshit

Conor fought Khabib and got his arse kicked up and down and finished in a non competitive fight somewhat recently

that puts him so far behind Justin let alone the fact Justin murdered cowboy first.

Conor's loss to Khabib is included in the OP.

Justin beating Cowboy first doesn't mean that much, as you could just as easily argue that Conor's win is more relevant as it's more recent.

 

[linch]

How about they fight each other for the #1 contender spot?

 

[fortheo]

How about they fight each other for the #1 contender spot?

That would be too simple.

 

[Nate banged my mom]

How about they fight each other for the #1 contender spot?

makes perfect logical sense but like wise one once said

“logic is not always logical”

-Kenny Florian

 

[johncola]

How about they fight each other for the #1 contender spot?

I can't hate that. Would be an amazing fight.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Well Conor beat Cowboy so he should logically get a TS

 

[Arcticman]

I'll compare the two fighters, in terms of the business, the sport, and the narrative.

Business-wise, Conor's obviously the superior option. No need to make much argument, unless someone disagrees. And this is why Dana prefers Conor to Justin.

Sport-wise, Conor is the better fighter. And he hasn't turned down fights like Gaethje. However, Gaethje has a good style to beat Khabib, and we've already seen Conor fight Khabib. So there are good arguments for both.

Narrative-wise, you need to look at the titles, rankings, and records. Conor is a two-division champion, which works in his favor. Conor has the better overall MMA record. Conor has the faster and superior victory over Cowboy. Conor has beaten the likes of Dustin and Eddie, each of whom has victories over Gaethje. And like it or not, Conor has the superior ranking, both divisionally and P4P. Justin has the longer win streak. Justin has more recent wins. Justin has more wins within the divisin. So you have to weigh all of these things.

Overall, maybe Gaethje should get the shot, but the argument for it isn't overwhelmingly strong, and you could just as easily argue that Conor is more deserving.

How many threads can u make of conor in a week ?

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Or if conor was a normal fighter not afraid to put everything on the line like everybody he would face gaethje in a #1 contender fight next and we wouldn't have this discussion

 

[WarFan90]

I can't hate that. Would be an amazing fight.

If Conor is so desperate for a rematch with khabib, they should put Conor vs. Gathje on the same card as khabib vs. Tony. If either of khabib or tony pull out, Conor gets the title shot. (Interim vs. Tony or undisputed vs khabib) In this scenario they line up someone like Dustin as the backup to fight Gathje, he gets a guaranteed big paycheck just for signing and promoting vs Conor even if he doesn't end up fighting him. Everybody wins. Khabib gets a huge payday and either fights tony or Conor. Tony gets a big payday for fighting either khabib or Conor. Conor gets another big payday and either a title shot or a title shot for a win. Gathje gets a big payday for fighting Conor or the next contender up in his own title eliminator. Conor has the most to lose in this situation, and the turnaround would be quick, but he's already said he will fight if either pull out.

 

[King Joffery]

Bullshit

Conor fought Khabib and got his arse kicked up and down and finished in a non competitive fight somewhat recently

that puts him so far behind Justin let alone the fact Justin murdered cowboy first.

Thats a false narrative that it wasn't competitive. Khabib dominated round 2 granted but Conor won round 3(only person to do so), round 1 was very close and during round 4 Conor was doing well until Khabib finally got another takedown.

 

[SKYNET]

I'll compare the two fighters, in terms of the business, the sport, and the narrative.
Business-wise, Conor's obviously the superior option. No need to make much argument, unless someone disagrees. And this is why Dana prefers Conor to Justin.
Sport-wise, Conor is the better fighter. And he hasn't turned down fights like Gaethje. However, Gaethje has a good style to beat Khabib, and we've already seen Conor fight Khabib. So there are good arguments for both.
Narrative-wise, you need to look at the titles, rankings, and records. Conor is a two-division champion, which works in his favor. Conor has the better overall MMA record. Conor has the faster and superior victory over Cowboy. Conor has beaten the likes of Dustin and Eddie, each of whom has victories over Gaethje. And like it or not, Conor has the superior ranking, both divisionally and P4P. Justin has the longer win streak. Justin has more recent wins. Justin has more wins within the divisin. So you have to weigh all of these things.
Overall, maybe Gaethje should get the shot, but the argument for it isn't overwhelmingly strong, and you could just as easily argue that Conor is more deserving.

Could you possibly make a thread about something besides Conor getting a title shot? There's a way more important fight already scheduled between Khabib and Ferguson happening in April that we can be all join in and be delusional about

 

[ostlerrage]

I'll compare the two fighters, in terms of the business, the sport, and the narrative.

Business-wise, Conor's obviously the superior option. No need to make much argument, unless someone disagrees. And this is why Dana prefers Conor to Justin.

Sport-wise, Conor is the better fighter. And he hasn't turned down fights like Gaethje. However, Gaethje has a good style to beat Khabib, and we've already seen Conor fight Khabib. So there are good arguments for both.

Narrative-wise, you need to look at the titles, rankings, and records. Conor is a two-division champion, which works in his favor. Conor has the better overall MMA record. Conor has the faster and superior victory over Cowboy. Conor has beaten the likes of Dustin and Eddie, each of whom has victories over Gaethje. And like it or not, Conor has the superior ranking, both divisionally and P4P. Justin has the longer win streak. Justin has more recent wins. Justin has more wins within the divisin. So you have to weigh all of these things.

Overall, maybe Gaethje should get the shot, but the argument for it isn't overwhelmingly strong, and you could just as easily argue that Conor is more deserving.

Agreed. Dont let the manlet cuck conrad haters get to y ou.

 

[johncola]

Could you possibly make a thread about something besides Conor getting a title shot? There's a way more important fight already scheduled between Khabib and Ferguson happening in April that we can be all join in and be delusional about

No, it was on my mind so I made a thread about it. A great thing about these forums and forums in general is that you only have to read the threads you click on.

 

[King Joffery]

If Conor is so desperate for a rematch with khabib, they should put Conor vs. Gathje on the same card as khabib vs. Tony. If either of khabib or tony pull out, Conor gets the title shot. (Interim vs. Tony or undisputed vs khabib) In this scenario they line up someone like Dustin as the backup to fight Gathje, he gets a guaranteed big paycheck just for signing and promoting vs Conor even if he doesn't end up fighting him. Everybody wins. Khabib gets a huge payday and either fights tony or Conor. Tony gets a big payday for fighting either khabib or Conor. Conor gets another big payday and either a title shot or a title shot for a win. Gathje gets a big payday for fighting Conor or the next contender up in his own title eliminator. Conor has the most to lose in this situation, and the turnaround would be quick, but he's already said he will fight if either pull out.

Couple of problems with that, neither Conor nor Khabib would be willing to settle for being the co-main to the other. What they could do instead is schedule Conor/Gathje for a couple of weeks after Khabib/Tony so they are on a similar timeline.

 

[SKYNET]

Thats a false narrative that it wasn't competitive. Khabib dominated round 2 granted but Conor won round 3(only person to do so), round 1 was very close and during round 4 Conor was doing well until Khabib finally got another takedown.

Khabib won 3 rounds, Conor won 1. Conor didn't hurt Khabib at all and Khabib finished him in round 4. Conor was not going to win that fight because it was NOT competitive.

CDS is real

 

[faustian]

If Conor is so desperate for a rematch with khabib, they should put Conor vs. Gathje on the same card as khabib vs. Tony. If either of khabib or tony pull out, Conor gets the title shot. (Interim vs. Tony or undisputed vs khabib) In this scenario they line up someone like Dustin as the backup to fight Gathje, he gets a guaranteed big paycheck just for signing and promoting vs Conor even if he doesn't end up fighting him. Everybody wins. Khabib gets a huge payday and either fights tony or Conor. Tony gets a big payday for fighting either khabib or Conor. Conor gets another big payday and either a title shot or a title shot for a win. Gathje gets a big payday for fighting Conor or the next contender up in his own title eliminator. Conor has the most to lose in this situation, and the turnaround would be quick, but he's already said he will fight if either pull out.

This is ideal and makes total sense but Conny doesn’t like being on PPV cards with other fighters who get PPV points

 

[johncola]

If Conor is so desperate for a rematch with khabib, they should put Conor vs. Gathje on the same card as khabib vs. Tony. If either of khabib or tony pull out, Conor gets the title shot. (Interim vs. Tony or undisputed vs khabib) In this scenario they line up someone like Dustin as the backup to fight Gathje, he gets a guaranteed big paycheck just for signing and promoting vs Conor even if he doesn't end up fighting him. Everybody wins. Khabib gets a huge payday and either fights tony or Conor. Tony gets a big payday for fighting either khabib or Conor. Conor gets another big payday and either a title shot or a title shot for a win. Gathje gets a big payday for fighting Conor or the next contender up in his own title eliminator. Conor has the most to lose in this situation, and the turnaround would be quick, but he's already said he will fight if either pull out.

I dunno about that. It's asking for trouble putting Conor and Khabib on the same card if they aren't even fighting. Plus the fights are both huge. Conor needs to main event but the UFC has been averse to not putting title fights as main events, as of late. And the optics would be bad were Khabib to be under Conor on the card despite beating him. Also, Conor doesn't wanna share his PPV revenue with others (especially not Khabib, if at all avoidable), which is why there are no longer other title fights on Conor cards.

 

[SKYNET]

No, it was on my mind so I made a thread about it...