The top3 P4P of all time from USA are all HWs

[pankrat]

If we made a p4p rank of all time worldwide, three HWs would have a legit case to be top3 in USA

#1 Jon Jones
#2 Stipe Miocic
#3 Daniel Cormier
#4 Demetrious Johnson
#5 Dan Henderson
#6 BJ Penn
#7 Frankie Edgar
#8 Henry Cejudo
#9 Randy Couture
#10 Max Holloway

HN - Dominick Cruz, Eddie Alvarez, Frank Shamrock, Chuck Liddell, Mat Hughes

 

[Rocket Punch]

americans got all kinds of horse steroids in their foods, what's new

 

[Pingu]

freankie and especially bj and cejudo needs to be higher and jon jones does not belong on the list untill he proves himself at another weight. it's not a knock on jones the man just hasnt proved anything at another weight yet.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Demetrious is the GOAT American fighter

Daniel and Stipe are nowhere near top 3

Demetrious
Bones
Hughes

 

[SG123]

freankie and especially bj and cejudo needs to be higher and jon jones does not belong on the list untill he proves himself at another weight. it's not a knock on jones the man just hasnt proved anything at another weight yet.

Jon doesn’t belong on the list at all. Multiple time PED cheat.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Jon hasn't fought at HW yet and I'd probably rank MM at #2, though I don't put too much thought into these kind of rankings tbh.

 

[pankrat]

freankie and especially bj and cejudo needs to be higher.

Above who? Dan Henderson and MM have legendary resumes

jon jones does not belong on the list untill he proves himself at another weight. it's not a knock on jones the man just hasnt proved anything at another weight yet.

Not saying Jones is an all-time great HW. But he is #1 p4p from America, and he is currently a HW.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

If we made a p4p rank of all time worldwide, the Americans who would be higher in the list would all be HW

#1 Jon Jones
#2 Stipe Miocic
#3 Daniel Cormier
#4 Demetrious Johnson
#5 Dan Henderson
#6 BJ Penn
#7 Henry Cejudo
#8 Frankie Edgar
#9 Randy Couture
#10 Max Holloway

HN - Dominick Cruz, Ben Henderson, Frank Shamrock, Chuck Liddell, Mat Hughes

Switch Cejudo and Cormier and put Mighty Mouse above Cejudo.

 

[Pingu]

Jon doesn’t belong on the list at all. Multiple time PED cheat.

i know i know, but for the sake of discussion.

 

[pankrat]

Daniel and Stipe are nowhere near top 3

You know they are.
MM has a case above them I'd agree, but he probably is not in most people list.

 

[1pedestrian]

Mighty Mouse # 1.
- UFC Champion with 11 title defenses (realistically 12)
- ONE FLW World Grand Prix Champion

 

[pankrat]

Switch Cejudo and Cormier and put Mighty Mouse above Cejudo.

MM is already #4

Cormier - along with Randy - is the only two division champ from USA just like Cejudo, but with much larger resume. None of his wins are controversial as Cejudo's win over MM.

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

This doesn’t help the fact that the rest of the world thinks we’re all fatties...

 

[SteveColdStone]

I think MM is/was a better fighter than Stipe and DC. The Stipe one is a bit closer in my mind though.

 

[pankrat]

I think MM is/was a better fighter than Stipe and DC. The Stipe one is a bit closer in my mind though.

He may be a better fighter but:

- Stipe is arguably the greates HW of all time and has cleaned out a division with more money on it that Flyweight. And we are talking about prize fighting. There is literally no human in the world who would be favoured to beat him in a fight. Also, he finished his opponents more oftne than MM.

- Cormier is a two division UFC champion, only lost to Jones and Miocic

 

[boss429]

freankie and especially bj and cejudo needs to be higher and jon jones does not belong on the list untill he proves himself at another weight. it's not a knock on jones the man just hasnt proved anything at another weight yet.

How about Max and Stipe? I don't recall them "proving themselves" at another weight either. Or Frankie for that matter, does cutting down from a division you were a Champion in but never winning a belt there "proving yourself" at another weight or is it only "proving yourself" if you move up in weight?

 

[moreorless87]

Barnett, Rampage and Chuck probably all deserve mention.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

MM is already #4

Cormier is the only two division champ from USA just like Cejudo, but with much larger resume. None of his wins are controversial as Cejudo's win over MM.

Cormier was never the best LHW or HW. Cejudo would've been first 3 division champ if Valentina didn't chicken out.

 

[pankrat]

How about Max and Stipe? I don't recall them "proving themselves" at another weight either. Or Frankie for that matter, does cutting down from a division you were a Champion in but never winning a belt there "proving yourself" at another weight or is it only "proving yourself" if you move up in weight?

How it does make sense in Stipe's case when he has cleaned out the absolute weightclass.

The fact Frankie has been a top contender in three weightclasses, and champion without even cutting weight sets him apart from almost everybody imo.

 

[pankrat]

Barnett, Rampage and Chuck probably all deserve mention.

As Shields, Weidman, Hughes, Cruz...they deserve mention as some of the greatest in their division but not that much in a p4p list of all time imo. At least not above the already listed.