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The Stanford Prison Experiment

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  1. Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    I watched this movie last night and I found it rather interesting. It's based on a true story about (from Wiki) a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted at Stanford University on August 14–20, 1971, by a team of researchers led by psychology professor Philip Zimbardo using college students.

    It was funded by the U.S. Office of Naval Research[ and was of interest to both the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps as an investigation into the causes of conflict between military guards and prisoners. The experiment is a classic study on the psychology of imprisonmentand is a topic covered in most introductory psychology textbooks.

    The participants adapted to their roles well beyond Zimbardo's expectations, as the guards enforced authoritarian measures and ultimately subjected some of the prisoners to psychological torture. Many of the prisoners passively accepted psychological abuse and, at the request of the guards, readily harassed other prisoners who attempted to prevent it. The experiment even affected Zimbardo himself, who, in his role as the superintendent, permitted the abuse to continue.


     
  2. BuffaloEmperor Brown Belt

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    I've read about this and this is a very interesting/fucked up study. The movie looks intense and i think i saw the Trickster from SuperNatural at one point.
     
  3. Organic Damage Vantablack belt

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    I thought the movie was very meh. But real life study is very cool and i read though Cheese thread on the subject and it was great and tree branched off with more info on the subject.


    Another movie you might want to check out TS is The Experimenter. Its on Netflix and i thought was better than the standford experment
     
  5. Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    Thanks I'll check it out. I really enjoyed the Stanford Experiment though. Some of the reviews I've read said it was slow. I didn't think so, but I do like slow paced psychological dramas.

    I seem to be catching these weird ass movies lately. I was going to make a thread about this, but I figured one movie thread was enough for the day. It's called we need to talk about Kevin. It's on Netflix as well.

     
  6. Cheese Banned Banned

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    This the thread you talking bout? Didin't get enough attention IMO. This shit is deep.


    http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-asch-experiment-social-conformity.3084783/


    I am still curios about this subject and how it applies to real life and online. Like if sherdog was to pick a new member at random and a group of 4-5 poster were to just start calling them out on everything that member posted as a troll post(even if it wasn't), would everyone turn on the new member and see them as troll before long.


    And agree with The Experimenter. being another good movie to watch. It covers the Stanly Milgram study


    And that shit still blows my mind on what people will do just to please the people in charge.
     
  7. Steve-French What A Rush!!!

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    I'm going to watch the experimenter tonight. I'm ignorant on the Stanly Milgram study, but I do find things like this fascinating. It would be cruel, but I wonder how introducing LSD into these study's would go.

    Have you ever seen that 1950's LSD study were the doctor examines an artist (on acid) and keeps prying him for information? It's kind of fucked up, but interesting none the less.



     
  8. Cheese Banned Banned

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    Never seen those studies but fucked up for sure. Getting info from people doesnt really require drugs like that. Ever seen 48hrs( the tv show) police get info out of people all the time just by putting in certian sitution and shit. Like a tiny room, calling in their family, etc...



    The Milgram study shows how people are willing to give up personal responablity to aurthory figure to allow themselves to do something "wrong" or something they wouldnt do. And its still holds to be true. A prank caller called a Burger King in CA last week and claimed to be a Fireman and told the employees that there was a gas leak and that they need to break the widows so gas wouldnt fill up the place until they got there. And they did it, just cause the guy appeared to them as someone in charge and they can claim they were just doing what they were told. It sounds silly as hell but it happens on the time. Its something deeply programed in us.


    Here is the video of the Burger King Manger driving his car into the building trying to burst a hole in the wall to let out the gas.


    LOL. I know it is funny as shit but when you stop laughing, try think about why would this guy do that just becuase he was told do by someone he thought was a authorty figure.
     
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    Bump cause i want to hear what you thought of the Experimental TS.
     
  10. Doughbelly αlpha-nerdette, action scientist

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    If you take Pysch 101 at any university, you learn about the Milgram experiment and the Stanford Prison experiment. If the class was actually worth a damn and not just a gut course for student-athletes, you should learn that the Milgram experiment was legit science.

    The Stanford Prison experiment, OTOH, was an interesting incident, but is very difficult to call what Zimbardo did "science". It was as much free form improv.
     
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    Cheese, I like you and I in no way intend to insult or give you a hard time. However, I have more than one degree in trying to understand how people think and act, as well as several years of experience directly interacting and applying the studies and theories I have learned, including the ones you have mentioned. This process cannot not be over thought, there are a lot of stupid people in the world. This forum is an anomaly, where people on here are saying one thing, the rest of the population is doing another. Most people do not know how to think for themselves. Matter of fact there will be a lot of people that read this post, that will say, "I do perfectly fine thinking for myself," and would not do something as stupid as that Burger King scenario, but at the same time would probably just meander the scene to determine if what was said was actually true. The best thing to know for yourself, is probably 85 to 90% of the population is not analyzing things the way you are way and will continue on in life making dumb decisions without realizing they are dumb decisions.
     
  12. Fight To Win Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    There's a movie starring Adrien Brody and Forrest Whittaker from 2010 that was based on that experiment as well, called The Experiment. It was pretty good too. I recommend it.
     
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    Go dig thru OT threads of the last few years..
     
  14. KevinMcCabe Kevin McCabe; Writer and Blogger Based in London

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    I also watched this film about Stanford Prison Experiment. I also read the book. Shocking read about research ethics and human ethics in general. I read the online version by the main researcher. The theme of the book was not really the language of a psychologist rather quiet exaggerated which makes me doubtful about the results. Regardless the experiment had a great impact on me and many others when it comes to human behaviour and ethics.
     
  15. GtehMVP Brown Belt

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    I liked the movie a lot, the guy playing the guard called John Wayne was awesome. The only thing that bothered me was Ezra Miller, I can't stand his whiny/crackly voice. I loved seeing him get wacked with the nightstick lol
     
  16. 5crew Black Belt

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    3 years old thread, but I agree with @Fight To Win . Try the 2010 version; The Experiment, it's better.

    The 2015 one is slightly slower and more on the Professor pov. The 2010 is mainly about the "inmates".
     
  17. Holic Sock Puppet Exorcist

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    Please read this before you start freaking out about how we're all automatons who can become nazis with the utterance of a few key phrases from a man in a uniform

    https://digest.bps.org.uk/2015/10/1...criticisms-of-milgrams-obedience-experiments/

    • When a participant hesitated in applying electric shocks, the actor playing the role of experimenter was meant to stick to a script of four escalating verbal “prods”. In fact, he frequently improvised, inventing his own terms and means of persuasion. Gina Perry (author of Behind The Shock Machine) has said the experiment was more akin to an investigation of “bullying and coercion” than obedience.
    • A partial replication of the studies found that no participants actually gave in to the fourth and final prod, the only one that actually constituted a command. Analysis of Milgram’s transcripts similarly suggested that the experimenter prompts that were most like a command were rarely obeyed. A modern analogue of Milgram’s paradigm found that order-like prompts were ineffective compared with appeals to science, supporting the idea that people are not blindly obedient to authority but believe they are contributing to a worthy cause.
    • Milgram failed to fully debrief his participants immediately after they’d participated.
    • In an unpublished version of his paradigm, Milgram recruited pairs of people who knew each other to play the role of teacher and learner. In this case, disobedience rose to 85 per cent.
    • Many participants were sceptical about the reality of the supposed set-up. Restricting analysis to only those who truly believed the situation was real, disobedience rose to around 66 per cent.
     
  18. pookiyama Purple Belt

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    They recruited volunteers for that study in a way that led to a large portion of participants having Machiavellian traits before the experiment started.

    They redid the test much later, accounting for that bias, and the results were drastically different.

    NB: The doctors learned the wrong lesson.
     
  19. Doughbelly αlpha-nerdette, action scientist

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    Had not read this before, but doesn’t surprise me that we’re poking holes in 50s science. Been doing that for a while now.
     
  20. EyeOfNewt Brown Belt

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    Overhyped and flawed experiment. Ofc if you pick a bumch of nitwits you end up with that result. 100$ if you pick decent folk this won't happen
     

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