The Rise Of The Anti Establishment Politician

[PEB]

If your Republican, Democrat there are more and more people are not attaching themselves with a party. The message is wages have stagnated that opportunity to advance has become nearly impossible and that people are being asked to do far more for less money. The wealth gap has grown insurmountable between the .1 percent and the rest.

Example I went to a family birthday party on Sunday and I saw mail trucks, contractors working on steps and all the stores in the area open. The idea of a 5 day work week and family time has become a thing of the past. People are under pressure to constantly perform at levels that people in the past was not asked to do.

The point is this disenchanted group of people who are tired of the same talking points and promises have largely given up on party. Union bosses who have long favored to back Democrats are finding it harder and harder to keep union members from switching parties.

People who work blue collar jobs are more worried then ever about their futures and their families future. Even people who work in many would consider white collar jobs also worry about their futures.

People like Trump, Carlson and Sanders have tapped into this group by the message I don't play by the rules message. Sanders a nearly life long politician was never one to walk the line on many Democratic positions. Trump and Carlson never having worked in a State or Federal level have that anti establishment feelings with them.

What do Sherdoggers think does this have staying power or by the end will it be another Bush and Democrats Clinton even with all her problems?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

The corporate takeover of America is almost complete. This is the last backlash, the last ripple.

Corporations own the food "industry." Can't eat without them. They run the music industry. TV and film. News media. They own the prisons. They own the hospitals. For-profit banks can invest and lose your savings and you can't really stop them.

I see this as an Alamo situation.

 

[Dan O]

At this point I'm so paranoid about our current oligarchy's power that I assume these candidates must surely just be puppets of the other side hedging their bets.

But it's definitely the first time I've even entertained the idea of voting as an adult so... I guess there's that.

I'll be thoroughly surprised if it matters in the end.

 

[phipps66]

People have been successfully convinced everyone and everything is out to get them. However, at the same time, they have been convinced only (X) is their only refuge and hope.

"It" or "they" are really good at keeping the masses confused and off balance. That way there can never really be a challenge to "their" power.

It or they of course being whoever your boogeyman is, be it the government, big business, unions, etc. etc.

 

[Losfer Words]

There have been anti establishment politicians since the beginning, its not new or unique. Obama campaigned on it and he turned out to be just as pro establishment as the ones that came before him. Anti when campaigning and pro once elected is how the game works.

 

[HelloJapan]

The corporate takeover of America is almost complete. This is the last backlash, the last ripple.

Corporations own the food "industry." Can't eat without them. They run the music industry. TV and film. News media. They own the prisons. They own the hospitals. For-profit banks can invest and lose your savings and you can't really stop them.

I see this as an Alamo situation.

You're right...

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

What's funny is the asshoke right wingers love clamoring on and on about how lazy people are and that they just need to work more like past generations did and not complain about it either.


The ironic part is Americans are working longer hours than ever before and were out pacing the work centric Japanese.


This goes with the republican ideology that if you spread lies long enough people actually start believing them.

 

[JosephDredd]

If your Republican, Democrat there are more and more people are not attaching themselves with a party. The message is wages have stagnated that opportunity to advance has become nearly impossible and that people are being asked to do far more for less money. The wealth gap has grown insurmountable between the .1 percent and the rest.

Example I went to a family birthday party on Sunday and I saw mail trucks, contractors working on steps and all the stores in the area open. The idea of a 5 day work week and family time has become a thing of the past. People are under pressure to constantly perform at levels that people in the past was not asked to do.

The point is this disenchanted group of people who are tired of the same talking points and promises have largely given up on party. Union bosses who have long favored to back Democrats are finding it harder and harder to keep union members from switching parties.

People who work blue collar jobs are more worried then ever about their futures and their families future. Even people who work in many would consider white collar jobs also worry about their futures.

People like Trump, Carlson and Sanders have tapped into this group by the message I don't play by the rules message. Sanders a nearly life long politician was never one to walk the line on many Democratic positions. Trump and Carlson never having worked in a State or Federal level have that anti establishment feelings with them.

What do Sherdoggers think does this have staying power or by the end will it be another Bush and Democrats Clinton even with all her problems?

I'm really glad to see the GOP base striking back against Jeb for saying Americans should work longer hours for less pay. I worried it would be embraced by the average conservative.

Here's an interesting article: What the Republican elite doesn't understand about Trump's success in one ridiculous tweet (link).

 

[spin]

Same old song.

 

[SODACKER]

You're an idiot if you don't like your job and think the president will do anything about it. It's a silly connection to make.

 

[Gervinho]

What's funny is the asshoke right wingers love clamoring on and on about how lazy people are and that they just need to work more like past generations did and not complain about it either.


The ironic part is Americans are working longer hours than ever before and were out pacing the work centric Japanese.


This goes with the republican ideology that if you spread lies long enough people actually start believing them.

It all comes down to greed. Companies are leaving the US/UK because there are countries where you can pay a lot less taxes and pay workers 1/5 of what you have to pay in the US/UK. the company I am working for now is planning to move most of its work to Belarus. Right wingers never tackle the greed of the companies.....its always too much taxes, workers are too lazy etc etc

 

[PEB]

The corporate takeover of America is almost complete. This is the last backlash, the last ripple.

Corporations own the food "industry." Can't eat without them. They run the music industry. TV and film. News media. They own the prisons. They own the hospitals. For-profit banks can invest and lose your savings and you can't really stop them.

I see this as an Alamo situation.

Too that point I saw a show this week about a guy who put on big national shows. He had big national acts like the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, U2, Britney Spears and others. What was odd about this story was it seemed that all his backers made money with him. I mean the guy lived out of his office in Florida and never owned anything too extravagant.

He grew his group to compete with likes of LiveNation and AEG with much smaller budget and less connections. Still managed to raise 200 million dollars and have acts swear by his business style. He was a former fighter pilot in Vietnam and a former commercial airlines pilot. It was not like his books where out of order ether other then one time an admin almost tricked him in making her out a 5 million dollar check.

But there did not seemed at least from the story any effort to defraud investors. In fact one investors who seemed really happy said he averaged an unheard of 25 percent return backing acts like Riverdance in just a few months. Many investors who agreed to talk about him had nothing bad to say about him. His biggest supporters helped him raise millions of dollars and reaped millions in return. It was not like this guy seemed to have a history screwing people.

Yet he was forced out of the Country on the run living people believe in Brazil. The whole story has a corporate takedown feel to it by getting the Government to force him out of the business. I mean Wall Street has done a lot more to f over people and get almost no repercussions from it.

The whole story had a stink to it from the sound of it.

 

[PEB]

It all comes down to greed. Companies are leaving the US/UK because there are countries where you can pay a lot less taxes and pay workers 1/5 of what you have to pay in the US/UK. the company I am working for now is planning to move most of its work to Belarus. Right wingers never tackle the greed of the companies.....its always too much taxes, workers are too lazy etc etc

The interesting thing about this is the additional costs for moving businesses to lower wage areas. They say communication is a big issue and the costs to converting training manuals and training managers all the time can double to costs of doing business in these areas. They also find that worker productivity is lower sometimes much lower and moral borders on suicidal. These people are going to work at these places with a gun in many cases pointed to their heads. Not a fun way to have access to lower cost wages.

 

[lapollarecords]

it's normal. the establishment has been becoming shittier and shittier in the last few decades.

 

[Gervinho]

The interesting thing about this is the additional costs for moving businesses to lower wage areas. They say communication is a big issue and the costs to converting training manuals and training managers all the time can double to costs of doing business in these areas. They also find that worker productivity is lower sometimes much lower and moral borders on suicidal. These people are going to work at these places with a gun in many cases pointed to their heads. Not a fun way to have access to lower cost wages.

In the long its still cheaper. And as much as those people hate it. Its much easier to demand even more of desperate people. My sister works for a recruitment agency who deals with recruit for low level industrial workers. She said several managers from those companies have told her on the low. Dont send us British workers. These companies pay minimum wage, 20 min break in 8 hours as legally thats all they have give and money stays the same in overtime. You have to sign a contract that you have to do overtime whenever the company request. They know the natives are not gonna agree to that shit

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

it's normal. the establishment has been becoming shittier and shittier in the last few decades.

I don't agree. Crime statistics are down and most major stocks are rising. The establishment is still enjoys widespread support from the overwhelming majority of Americans. That's why fringe candidates are fringe. We aren't about to elect a socialist retard just yet.

 

[Uchi Mata]

The sad part about current American politics is that despite both sides having very strong anti-establishment movements, nothing will actually happen because their solutions to corporatism etc. are so different, and our system is designed to create gridlock. So unlike a parliamentary system where the Tea Party and Occupy or whomever could form a ruling coalition to actually change things, instead what will happen is the establishment figures who do get re-elected (which will be most of them) will have plenty of ability to kill any movement towards actual change. You need such a huge majority voting in the same direction in the US to get anything done that it's virtually impossible to do so when Dems and Reps are so far apart on solutions to many issues, even if they agree the issues exist.

 

[SODACKER]

Americans have been working less and less hours since 2000, so Obama and Bush must be true anti establishment candidates. Let's hope the trend continues!

 

[method115]

Yea people are becoming less and less committed to these political parties. Anytime people start saying well X politician is going to do "insert random thing politician said". I ask them if they really believe that. How do they know he isn't just lying? I ask them why do they trust these people who just lie time after time after time. Most almost immediately agree that neither party can really be trusted and both are just screwing us over.

 

[JosephDredd]

Yea people are becoming less and less committed to these political parties. Anytime people start saying well X politician is going to do "insert random thing politician said". I ask them if they really believe that. How do they know he isn't just lying? I ask them why do they trust these people who just lie time after time after time. Most almost immediately agree that neither party can really be trusted and both are just screwing us over.

It seems to me that as people's disappointment in their own party rises, there's a tendency for their absolute hate for the opposing party to increase as well. Which could lead to all kinds of delightful adventures in the future.