The reasons fighters shouldn't do PED's

[eternaldarkness]

What has been done cannot be undone. because fighting has a massive psychological component the risk of taking drugs is huge. if a fighter gets caught using drugs they rarely ever succeed in the future without them. they give a massive boast to confidence as well as a substantial physical benefit and taking them away tends to damage the fighters psychology irreversibly. it's a bit like the body builder that stops roiding and loses a couple of kilos of their max deadlift, they feel as weak as kittens even though they are still be ridiculously strong.

 

[The Pied Pooper]

Nope

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Or let them all take it for the advantages you mentioned.

Everyone on steroids. Even you ts

 

[cambo78]

Hmmm, interesting.

Not this thread. I was just imagining a future where I could simply press a button on my keyboard and make someone's heart stop beating.

 

[eternaldarkness]

Nope

and what experiences with drugs make you think this? considering how many dopers fall apart when their special sauce is taken away.

 

[tehShuffle]

I agree 100% but it seems a lot of people are perfectly fine with their favorite athlete doing PEDs. I've heard everything the past few days from "everyone is doing PEDs" to "MMA was built on PEDs" and it boggles my mind.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

I agree 100% but it seems a lot of people are perfectly fine with their favorite athlete doing PEDs. I've heard everything the past few days from "everyone is doing PEDs" to "MMA was built on PEDs" and it boggles my mind.

Were you not in awe when Jones headkicked DC and bashed his face into the ground?

Were you not entertained when Vitor destroyed Rockhold with a spinning trt kick from hell??

These things were brought to you by PEDS.

 

[thobra]

What has been done cannot be undone. because fighting has a massive psychological component the risk of taking drugs is huge. if a fighter gets caught using drugs they rarely ever succeed in the future without them. they give a massive boast to confidence as well as a substantial physical benefit and taking them away tends to damage the fighters psychology irreversibly. it's a bit like the body builder that stops roiding and loses a couple of kilos of their max deadlift, they feel as weak as kittens even though they are still be ridiculously strong.

Sure...

But don't you think a guy that never used some illegal peds would fail even at amateur levels?

Is anyone born with super genetics And extremely high natural testosterone, that allows them to beat up roidmonsters year after year?

 

[eternaldarkness]

I agree 100% but it seems a lot of people are perfectly fine with their favorite athlete doing PEDs. I've heard everything the past few days from "everyone is doing PEDs" to "MMA was built on PEDs" and it boggles my mind.

they are definitely a strange bunch. it's like they think they are special or have achieved something just by associating themselves with a certain fighter. i tagged it pokemon syndrome years ago, when something generates a following just by being popular. conor mcgregor comes to mind.

 

[L.T.]

Were you not in awe when Jones headkicked DC and bashed his face into the ground?

Were you not entertained when Vitor destroyed Rockhold with a spinning trt kick from hell??

These things were brought to you by PEDS.

Now Vitor needs an assistance dog for his anxiety, like a blind person. Was it worth it?

 

[eternaldarkness]

Were you not in awe when Jones headkicked DC and bashed his face into the ground?

Were you not entertained when Vitor destroyed Rockhold with a spinning trt kick from hell??

These things were brought to you by PEDS.

how about brass knuckles that would liven things up a bit.

 

[eternaldarkness]

Sure...

But don't you think a guy that never used some illegal peds would fail even at amateur levels?

Is anyone born with super genetics And extremely high natural testosterone, that allows them to beat up roidmonsters year after year?

i have fought and been around some of the best gyms in australia and i can guarantee you don't need drugs to win. once everybody starts using drugs it changes things a bit, kinda like weight cutting you don't have to be bigger to win fights but when everybody starts cutting you are at a disadvantage when you don't.

 

[eternaldarkness]

Now Vitor needs an assistance dog for his anxiety, like a blind person. Was it worth it?

dam haven't heard about that. pretty disturbing eh?

 

[tehShuffle]

Were you not in awe when Jones headkicked DC and bashed his face into the ground?

Were you not entertained when Vitor destroyed Rockhold with a spinning trt kick from hell??

These things were brought to you by PEDS.

I'm not going to lie, I was impressed by Jones kick and I've only seen gifs of the TRT kick which in itself looks a little sketchy. But after the fact, learning that these guys took PEDs makes me question how good they would be without them. Would Jones have beat DC without them? A lot of people would say yes but in my mind we will never know because we never got to see it. I'm not trying to say these guys aren't good athletes, they're amazing, but did they really need PEDs? They are gifted with amazing abilities already and in my opinion they didn't need them.

 

[baba2008]

Now Vitor needs an assistance dog for his anxiety, like a blind person. Was it worth it?

Vitor's dog would be the GOAT assistance dog if he gave it steroids.

 

[L.T.]

Vitor's dog would be the GOAT assistance dog if he gave it steroids.

Until you stopped giving it roids then his dog would need a dog to help him help Vitor.

 

[baba2008]

Until you stopped giving it roids then his dog would need a dog to help him help Vitor.

Well, I say give the 2nd dog roids too - then we could argue about which dog is really the GOAT dog.

 

[thobra]

i have fought and been around some of the best gyms in australia and i can guarantee you don't need drugs to win. once everybody starts using drugs it changes things a bit, kinda like weight cutting you don't have to be bigger to win fights but when everybody starts cutting you are at a disadvantage when you don't.

They can obviously beat other guys that don't use steroids, but there is little chance beating a guy that because of supplements can train twice as much, and gets a huge technical advantage from this, is bigger, stronger and has better cardio. Even at amateur levels, the supplements would give a fighters "years" of more training and experience than a clean guy.

I did kickboxing in my late teens and early twenties. It was a mid size gym, so all kinds of people trained there, from normal guys wanting to lose weight, to the good kickboxers competing on national amateur level. There were not one single competitor (that did fights) that didn't do anabolic steroids (Anadrol and Dianabol) and lower level peds like Effedrin, and I can assure you that none of the guys that were clean had the slightest chance to even be competitive with these guys.

I have a hard time believing that guys that made it all the way to the UFC with only a few losses have been clean their whole career. At some point they should obviously have met a guy using steroids, and that means they probably would lose.

The UFC only picks up the best guys, and in smaller orgs/at amateur levels, there are hardly any testing, and the best guys will probably be the guy able to train most, that has a strength advantage, speed advantage, heals fast from injuries, and has a cardio advantage... And that exact guy that is a champ in smaller orgs, and has few losses is the guy the UFC picks up.

 

[eternaldarkness]

They can obviously beat other guys that don't use steroids, but there is little chance beating a guy that because of supplements can train twice as much, and gets a huge technical advantage from this, is bigger, stronger and has better cardio. Even at amateur levels, the supplements would give a fighters "years" of more training and experience than a clean guy.

I did kickboxing in my late teens and early twenties. It was a mid size gym, so all kinds of people trained there, from normal guys wanting to lose weight, to the good kickboxers competing on national amateur level. There were not one single competitor (that did fights) that didn't do anabolic steroids (Anadrol and Dianabol) and lower level peds like Effedrin, and I can assure you that none of the guys that were clean had the slightest chance to even be competitive with these guys.

I have a hard time believing that guys that made it all the way to the UFC with only a few losses have been clean their whole career. At some point they should obviously have met a guy using steroids, and that means they probably would lose.

The UFC only picks up the best guys, and in smaller orgs/at amateur levels, there are hardly any testing, and the best guys will probably be the guy able to train most, that has a strength advantage, speed advantage, heals fast from injuries, and has a cardio advantage... And that exact guy that is a champ in smaller orgs, and has few losses is the guy the UFC picks up.

god bless america. what a shit culture where everyone cheats to win, i feel sorry for you. do you really think all the thais are on roids?

 

[thobra]

god bless america. what a shit culture where everyone cheats to win, i feel sorry for you. do you really think all the thais are on roids?

I think steroids is so much more common in sports than people think, And because of that, I think it is nearly impossible for clean guys to get very far, even at amateur levels. Especially in mma for obvious reasons.

Of course it is sad, and very wrong, but for a guy that has the skill, the right trainers And the possibility to get into orgs like Bellator, the UFC or WSF, where it is possible to make a decent living, I can understand it. It is a pretty low risk compared to the potential reward. People obviously do What is necesary to feed their families, And being an mma champ even in a small regional org with sponsors And all, will pay for a good house And put your kids through college. The alternative is usually worse.