The Reason Why Watchers Of The Original UFC Don't Care Much About Lighter Weight Classes

Yep. "Best" is a lot more important and compelling than "best out of a group of people with the same handicap*"

* handicap in the golf sense, not in the physically disabled sense



Yes, a small guy won the first couple, because he mastered a style no one else knew. And it was fascinating to watch David topple Goliath with that special knowledge.
However, you're out of your mind if you think that would still happen today and an openweight tourney wouldn't be thoroughly dominated by HW/LHW.
They are the best fighters and other weights have their own special divisions, because they can't compete.

There is no substitute for being simply the best, period. Being the best considering you'd never stand a chance in the sport unless they make a special division where you can compete with people who are from the best and merely good considering their lack of physical ability to compete with the big men simply doesn't have the same prestige or public demand which is why football, basketball, baseball and hockey require everyone to compete without giving them weight classes to hide behind.

American football doesn't have special divisions for small guys. Horse racing doesn't have special divisions for big guys who want to be jockeys. That's because the vast majority of the pro sports world makes people understand that just because you might want to be a pro athlete, depending upon the sport, you might simply not be built to have any chance of competing. If that applies to someone, he needs to find some other way of earning himself a living. A real man can accept that fact. Not everybody is born with the gifts to be a pro athlete, in fact, very few are. Learn to live with it.
 
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American football doesn't have special divisions for small guys. Horse racing doesn't have special divisions for big guys who want to be jockeys. That's because the vast majority of the pro sports world makes people understand that just because you might want to be a pro athlete, depending upon the sport, you might simply not be built to have any chance of competing. If that applies to someone, he needs to find some other way of earning himself a living. A real man can accept that fact. Not everybody is born with the gifts to be a pro athlete, in fact, very few are. Learn to live with it.

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You are one dumb sob.

Ask yourself why these team sports don't have weight classes?
Then ask yourself why fighting does? Can't solve the riddle?

How exciting would fighting really be, watching JDS vs Max Holloway?

Here are the original basketball rules. Changed a bit from its birth huh?
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These original rules were first published in January 1892 in the school's newspaper, The Triangle. All of these original rules are in some way still in effect today (see comments).
1. The ball may be thrown in any direction with one or both hands.

Comment: Still current today. The ball can be passed or thrown in any direction with the exception that once the ball crosses the midcourt line, it cannot be passed back behind the midcourt line.

2. The ball may be batted in any direction with one or both hands (never with the fist.)
Comment: Ball can still be batted or tipped in any direction with one or both hands but never with a closed fist. Ball also cannot be kicked.

3. A player cannot run with the ball. The player must throw it from the spot on which he catches it, allowance to be made for a man who catches the ball when running at a good speed if he tries to stop.
Comment: A player still cannot run with the ball. If they do it’s a violation. They must pass or dribble the ball with one hand. No allowance made when receiving a pass.

4. The ball must be held in or between the hands; the arms or body must not be used for holding it.
Comment: Players still cannot hold the ball against their body when moving. Results in a traveling violation.

5. No shouldering, holding, pushing, tripping, or striking in any way the person of an opponent shall be allowed; the first infringement of this rule by any player shall count as a foul, the second shall disqualify him until the next goal is made, or, if there was evident intent to injure the person, for the whole of the game, no substitute allowed.
Comment: These infractions or player fouls still apply. Players are disqualifed from the game after committing five or six fouls. Flagrant fouls may result in automatic ejections along with suspensions.

6. A foul is striking at the ball with the fist, violation of Rules 3, 4, and such as described in Rule 5.
Comment: True today. The ball cannot be struck with a closed fist or kicked.

7. If either side makes three consecutive fouls, it shall count a goal for the opponents (consecutive means without the opponents in the mean time making a foul.
Comment: This rule has been replaced by bonus free throws after a certain number of team fouls.

8. A goal shall be made when the ball is thrown or batted from the grounds into the basket and stays there, providing those defending the goal do not touch or disturb the goal. If the ball rests on the edges, and the opponent moves the basket, it shall count as a goal.
Comment: Ball now goes through the basket. Defensive basket interference and offensive goaltending rules still apply. However, FIBA rules allow touching the ball by either team once it hits the rim.

9. When the ball goes out of bounds, it shall be thrown into the field of play by the person first touching it. In case of a dispute, the umpire shall throw it straight into the field. The thrower-in is allowed five seconds; if he holds it longer, it shall go to the opponent. If any side persists in delaying the game, the umpire shall call a foul on that side.
Comment: This out of bounds rule has been changed in that ball possession goes to the opposite team of the last player touching the ball. The inbounds five second count is still in effect and shot clocks have replaced the delay of game fouls.

10. The umpire shall be judge of the men and shall note the fouls and notify the referee when three consecutive fouls have been made. He shall have power to disqualify men according to Rule 5.
Comment: The umpire has been replaced with two or three person officiating crews. Player disqualifications have been modified to five or six personal fouls.

11. The referee shall be judge of the ball and shall decide when the ball is in play, in bounds, to which side it belongs, and shall keep the time. He shall decide when a goal has been made, and keep account of the goals with any other duties that are usually performed by a referee.
Comment: The referee has essentially been replaced by official scorers and timers. Out of bounds and goal decisions are made by the on court officials.

12. The time shall be two 15-minute halves, with five minutes’ rest between.
Comment: Game formats including length and the number of periods played along with halftime periods vary according to level.

13. The side making the most goals in that time shall be declared the winner. In case of a draw, the game may, by agreement of the captains, be continued until another goal is made.
 
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Are you talking about Mark Hunt? 5' 10" Mark Hunt that weighs 265 after cutting weight? Or do you mean 6 foot 3 inch 260 pound Dan Severn who doesn't need to cut weight? Severn's civilized enough he'd probably just shake his head in disgust. if you tell Hunt that, let us know exactly how it went with a post from the hospital after you get out of the intensive care unit. He's not ;;ike Severn. He's got no manners, no sense of decency, is a former meth head, has a vocabulary you;d expect from a prison convict, and is mentally unstable as shown by his recent statements to his employers - comments which are too obscene to print here.

Dan? Is that you?
 
Horse shit. I've been watching since ufc 3 and I don't give a shit about weight classes.
 
You are one dumb sob.

Ask yourself why these team sports don't have weight classes?
Then ask yourself why fighting does? Can't solve the riddle?

How exciting would fighting really be, watching JDS vs Max Holloway?


It wouldn't.
Which is why the guy you are quoting is suggesting that Max Holloway isn't much of an MMA fighter or very worthy of interest.
Because we all agree he'd be slaughtered by someone that's actually good.
 
Like the big sumo guy gets punched in the nose, and covers his face with his hands, and he's ready to tap. As a fan I want to see him keep fighting. Early UFC contestants were still even figuring out what fighting is, at least the ones with martial arts training. And most of the ones who knew what a fight was didn't have good technical skills. That's why skinny midgets in Japanese underwear often won.

The problem with the weight classes now is that an average sized man dehydrates himself and fights another average sized dehydrated man where they're both pretending to be midgets. The first regular guy who does it is exploiting midgets, and wins. But then others copy him, and there isn't any room left for midgets at their own weight class. They'd have to cut down to the pixie size weight classes.

Weight classes are a good idea, but only if you're sorting based on natural weight in a way that the fighters can't game. Weight isn't actually an opinion, there is no reason to both use it but use it in a distorted way.
 
Ts has a point..i dont watch the nba to know who the best 5'5 basketball player is.
 
I like cards with a variety of weight classes and mix of skill sets.
 
This whole technical little guy domination thing is a bit over progressive.

REAL men like to see Giants that rely more of physical strength, punching power, and gas after 2 rounds. I also think evolution, and the advancement of technology is weakening the human species. Cavemen were the most physically dominant era of human evolution.

Nah homie, the real men are there inside the cage, not watching it on a screen.

You're not a "real man" because you watch people fight on a screen sitting on your couch eating potato chips.
 
If the average man in your country is 6' tall (182cm) then the best fighters are most likely walking around at 220 lbs, with a few higher and lower. Because of the way weight is measured, yeah, they'd be fighting at WW.

If you look at Royce in his later fights, he was fighting LW fighters and simply wasn't strong enough to grapple with them; they were too much bigger than him. So calling him a WW is dubious; he was fighting much smaller than that.

Weight classes are real. If you remember K-1 open weight tournaments, most of the really big guys weren't very good, but they still had a chance. A big guy that could actually fight would win easy. And a top level kickboxer (who is almost always close to average size) can often win against giant with mediocre but well-trained kickboxing. And that giant has an easy time winning enough fights to qualify for the big tournament, because average sized guys with average skills just get knocked out.

If you put two of Royce Gracie in a no-gi fight against one Roy Nelson, I'd put my money on Roy. He'd tko one with a takedown, and then belly-mount the other one for a crucifix pitter-pat stoppage. Or, punch them. Wearing Japanese underwear of course would totally change the odds.
 
Same with LHW and HW. Tiny divisions compared to 145, 155 and 170.

Plus LHW and HW are athletic leftovers from the big money sports. At least at 135 those little bastards are athletic as fuck, since almost nobody who's 5'6" is getting a contract with the Patriots, Yankees or Manchester United even if they're super-gifted athletically.

Even in soccer the average player is 5'11"-6'0".

Exactly.

The best athletes are always at the lower weight classes.

Jose Aldo, Chad Mendes, John Dodson, etc. You don't get athletes like that in the higher weightclasses.
 
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