The real UFC ended in the 90's according to former champ Oleg Taktarov

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  1. Coffee79

    Coffee79 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    "To become UFC 6 Champion I had to (take part in) three fights in one evening. Just imagine that you have to win in 1st fight, then second, and save power to stand in the last one. And the weight difference could be incredible between fighters. I might come to the cage at 90kg and the opponent at 120kg."

    "Who is the more complete fighter? One who juices himself with steroids and comes in the cage to show the judges that he is better?"

    "Real fight can last a day, two days or a whole week. Rounds weren't limited with 5 minutes and could last for half an hour. Why? This is because after the 18th minute of the fight, an athlete can simply break. When there weren't time limitation, fighters were not aware of how long their fights would last.

    "It was a matter of your will."

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/...real-championship-ended-in-the-1990s-mma-news

    My take - it's a bit of both. What's missing in today's UFC is the rawness of it. The fighters/athletes are so highly skilled that it has lost that edgy feeling it once had. But I think even up until the mid 2000's it had an edge to it because fighters still had personas. Today, guys like Jones and Conor are few and far between. Whatever made the UFC is not as easy to find these days.
     
  2. gtm3

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    For the sport to be viable, there must be a mix of pleasing the fighters, fans, and regulators. Times change, but I understand where the guy is coming from. For those not in the know, the guy was as hard as they come. Tough as nails.
     
  3. Sp@cePeanut

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    Did you just compare Jones and Conor?
     
  4. Coffee79

    Coffee79 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    You're right - one is Jones who is the P4P best fighter on the planet who has cleaned out one of the deepest divisions in the UFC, and the other guy's best win is a 36 year old guy barley in the top 10.

    I was comparing their personas - that is the only way in which Conor is even close to being on Jones' level.
     
  5. EndlessCritic

    EndlessCritic Gold Belt

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    go home oleg, you're drunk.
     
  6. Jarnee

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    PPV or TV schedule cannot go over it's slot so you must have a limited time and program to be able to commercialise the sport. Plus also imagine the sloppy gased out fighting that would ensue when no one can get the KO and they have fought for 20 mins straight?

    But he is right, Pride was better
     
  7. Osstopher McGi

    Osstopher McGi Green Belt

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    They are pretty much two different things now, yeah. It would be cool to see today's fighters competing in the old format but it's never gonna happen.
     
  8. Donny White

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    It's still UFC. But indeed it was tougher back then.

    And Oleg didn't fight three times. He fought twice. One of his fights was fixed.
     
  9. hitman911

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    Today's ufc is nothing more than an amateur boxing/kickboxing fight with the exception of a few truly skilled strikers. It's no longer "mixed" martial arts. No more gnp. In fact when was the last time we heard joe rogan say something about nasty gnp? I'll tell u, Amanda Nunez on cat in wmma. How many triangle chokes do we see? Or arm bars? Seems like most subs nowadays are guillotine chokes and rnc. Real mma wrestling is almost non existent. Everybody want the big ko but to be honest gnp is some of the most gorgeous strikes. Anybody can at some point land a big punch but to end a fight with gnp is real skill. Sorry everyone just venting.
     
  10. BornPure87

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    I was going to write some heavy insults, no I wasn't, but you rustled me with that comparison. Good you cleared it up. And, I agree.

    As for Taktarov's statement - what's missing is PRIDE (not the organization per se, or maybe both) being at the center of the sport. Competing for the sake of testing your mettle against another guy in your skills, tenacity, endurance, mental toughness.

    It certainly was way tougher in those days, but much less regulated in general, in particular PEDs.
     
  11. Taric

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    Pre-2000 MMA sucked. Glad it's dead.
     
  12. Diet Otsuka

    Diet Otsuka Red Belt

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    So according to him, men were REAL MEN in the only era he was relevant?

    How convenient.
     
  13. Cooliox

    Cooliox Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    exactly. you see the lengths they had to go to win a tournament?

    UFC fighters have it easy these days
     
  14. Kingfarthur

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    For anyone that doesn't know Oleg Taktarov, find his fight against Tank Abbot.

    Oleg is the man.
     
  15. SuperNerd

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    Yeah, saw this before.. A sherdogger had a great reply. I will copy it..

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  16. Kingfarthur

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    You must have missed Frankie vs. Cub. That was some of the best ground and pound I've ever seen.

    Look, fighters are getting much better at defense, its the simple fact. There are also much better fighters now and the sport has progressed a lot in the last 10 years.
     
  17. Fedorgasm

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    In his defense, he didn't know it was fixed until after it was over, and he was NOT happy about it even though he was the beneficiary.

    Oleg was a tough SOB and he didn't want anything he didn't earn.
     
  18. hitman911

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    I agree that was some sick gnp but Frankie is a true mixed martial artist you don't find them very often anymore. Nobody mixes it up and puts all the arts together.
     
  19. IrishFighterLA

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    Id love them to and old fashioned tournament once a year.. That be dope.
     
  20. gtm3

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    Same. Just a 4-man tourney. Semifinals and finals could both be 3 rounds with 4-minute rounds. Would only require finalists to fight max of 24 mins. Pride tourneys were fantastic.
     

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