The real reason there is no kung fu in mma.

[Crimson Glory]

Ask Jon Jones, he is pretty good at it.

I mean actually try and poke a guy in the eye as part of your strategy of winning a fight. Half the time he pokes dudes in the eye it's because of outstretched hand as the opponent is coming in, that's how it usually happens anyway.

There's an answer too that, head movement. If you can't punch a guy in the head coming in, who has good head movement, you're not poking him in the eye.

 

[YellowBaneno]

Sanshou is militarized Kung Fu

Like many have said Cung Le is the most famous practicioner and Former Strikeforce Champion.

didn't really work too well in the UFC tho

Then he seemingly decided to follow Anderson Silva's footsteps

Cung Le, what are you doing?

Why all these fighters classify their style as " fung fu" yet all they doing is traditional kick boxing ?

 

[TheWaxMurderer]

Seems like a typical white belt troll thread but he's not...strange

 

[sadclown]

The major difference between musket and and kung fu is we can experiment its effectiveness and see it with our own eyes while Kung fu can't.

What do you mean can't?

2,000 years ago, Little Wang fought Big Wong. Big Wong beat Little Wang.

Little Wang then went to learn Kung Fu from Master Wu.

Master Wu taught Little Wang how to throw and take punches and kicks, to train body and mind to be fit.

Now Little Wang fought Big Wong again. Little Wang won.

Why?

Kung Fu.

And that's the context of traditional martial arts.

Of course, today Big Jamal would squash Little Wang with his MMA. But Kung Fu wasn't invented today in order to apply it to today's world. It was invented centuries ago, to apply to the fight needs of centuries ago.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

kung fu is for self defence in a real life and death situation. the techniques would be simply too violent for the public. the commission would outlaw them.

also. if kung fu fighters were allowed to try mma, every champion would be a lung fu fighter.. There is a conspiracy theory floating around that mma promoters will not sign kung fu fighters for fear of lack of diversity on the roster.

What do you mean by "kung fu"? Chinese martial arts? Wushu. Wu=martial. Shu=arts.

I guess by kung fu, you mean the style of fighting that was popularized in Hong Kong movie serials, like Wong Fei-hung, in the 1950s. Which do star opera players and real martial artists

 

[loisestrad]

Seems like a typical white belt troll thread but he's not...strange

Look at the join date. No, I'm not saying that join date means more than the color of the belt - but you do have to take it into consideration.

 

[Mochan]

China was a huge pond.

Horse archery > No shadow kicks = any day.

Kung Fu was basically restricted to small schools and communities around China and little monks hiding in temples. The elitist mentality and secret styles aspect of Kung Fu made sure that no single schools ever took over the entire country, and all you had were tiny tribal fragments scattered around China which never tested their techniques on a grand scale. So yeah they are stuck in small ponds.

And they all got slaughtered by the Mongols, and they all got slaughtered again by Japan and the US during the Boxer Rebellion.

Chinese Kung Fu is a joke and people need to get over all the Ip Man and Jet Li movies they have been watching. It's fun but it's all fiction.

 

[freakyfarley]

Once upon a time, Kung Fu was the difference between life and death on the battle field.

Just because today it's watered down and is irrelevant to organized professional fighting that is MMA, doesn't mean it wasn't important back in the days.

An analogy would be, the musket. Sure, it ain't shit against a modern machine gun. But back in the days it took nearly 50,000 casualties at Gettysburg.

Respect the musket. Respect the Kung Fu.

So actually Kung Fu shouldn't be in martial arts training for the same reason they shouldn't have musket training in the army.

 

[YellowBaneno]

What do you mean can't?

2,000 years ago, Little Wang fought Big Wong. Big Wong beat Little Wang.

Little Wang then went to learn Kung Fu from Master Wu.

Master Wu taught Little Wang how to throw and take punches and kicks, to train body and mind to be fit.

Now Little Wang fought Big Wong again. Little Wang won.

Why?

Kung Fu.

And that's the context of traditional martial arts.

Of course, today Big Jamal would squash Little Wang with his MMA. But Kung Fu wasn't invented today in order to apply it to today's world. It was invented centuries ago, to apply to the fight needs of centuries ago.

Not even MMA fighter, Any adult with decent athleticism would beaten any guy who have have been sorely training "Kung Fu". There is no record of it being effective outside of china and having studied their history while growing up, chinese history is usually full of shit

and Sorry i should have said we cant experiment Kung Fu's effectiveness which chinese claim it to be effective in real life combat situation.

 

[MadHouse]

as long as the Kung Fu guys are not allowed to open the 6th gate things should be fair

 

[sadclown]

Kung Fu was basically restricted to small schools and communities around China and little monks hiding in temples. The elitist mentality and secret styles aspect of Kung Fu made sure that no single schools ever took over the entire country, and all you had were tiny tribal fragments scattered around China which never tested their techniques on a grand scale. So yeah they are stuck in small ponds.

And they all got slaughtered by the Mongols, and they all got slaughtered again by Japan and the US during the Boxer Rebellion.

Chinese Kung Fu is a joke and people need to get over all the Ip Man and Jet Li movies they have been watching. It's fun but it's all fiction.

I'm pretty sure that in the Mongol invasion, they fought with swords, spears, bows, crossbows and all sorts of other weapons --- not hand-to-hand, hence not Kung Fu.

I'm also pretty sure that the Japanese and Americans during the Boxers Rebellion used repeated rifles and cannons and such weapons. Don't think that was a hand-to-hand warfare.

Based on the evidence that you tried to push the Mongol Conquest of China and the Boxer Rebellion, as Kung Fu versus Mongol wrestling, Japanese Judo and American boxing ----- I think you might want to pick up a book or 2 and - you know - educate yourself. With all due respect.

 

[sadclown]

Not even MMA fighter, Any adult with decent athleticism would beat any guy who have have been sorely training "Kung Fu". There is no record of it being effective outside of china and having studied their history while growing up, chinese history is usually full of shit

1) Before such a thing as organized fighting, are there any records of the effectiveness of any martial arts? No there aren't.


2) Take 2 adults with decent athleticism, give one of them Kung Fu training, the other no training in anything at all. Now take a guess which one would have the more fit body and mind, know better on how to throw punches and kicks. Then take a guess on which one would win in a fight.

 

[sadclown]

So actually Kung Fu shouldn't be in martial arts training for the same reason they shouldn't have musket training in the army.

1) If the practitioner can evolve it and adapt it to modern fighting method, I don't see why not. Case in point, Cung Le.

2) The machine gun wasn't invented independently. The invention evolves from the musket.

 

[freakyfarley]

1) If the practitioner can evolve it and adapt it to modern fighting method, I don't see why not. Case in point, Cung Le.

2) The machine gun wasn't invented independently. The invention evolves from the musket.

So what if machine guns grew out of muskets? At least we can see that muskets can still kill people. Bad comparison imo

 

[sadclown]

So what if machine guns grew out of muskets? At least we can see that muskets can still kill people. Bad comparison imo

Think we have been seeing Cung Le kicking asses for quite some times, including such MMA champs as Shamrock and Franklin.

 

[YellowBaneno]

1) Before such a thing as organized fighting, are there any records of the effectiveness of any martial arts? No there aren't.


2) Take 2 adults with decent athleticism, give one of them Kung Fu training, the other no training in anything at all. Now take a guess which one would have the more fit body and mind, know better on how to throw punches and kicks. Then take a guess on which one would win in a fight.

Not sure if you are seriouse but all these argument is based on having a organized fighting that we can actually witness them performing against non kung fu practitioner, so we can know whether Kung fu can be effective in as they claim it to be.

Nope, Kung Fu is just an nonsense ... as soon as fight start the guy who has been training Kung fu soon realizes he has been wasted his time and energy on such a meaningless cult. He will have mental breakdown and get panicked even more so than other guy. Easy win for non Kung fu practitioner

 

[SouthSide971]

Deadly stuff

 

[sadclown]

Not sure if you are seriouse but all these argument is based on having a organized fighting that we can actually witness them performing against non kung fu practitioner, so we can know whether Kung fu can be effective in as they claim it to be.

Nope, Kung Fu is just an nonsense ... as soon as fight start the guy who has been training Kung fu soon realizes he has been wasted his time and energy on such a meaningless cult. He will have mental breakdown and get panicked even more so than other guy. Easy win for non Kung fu practitioner

Cung Le can say hello to you in 3 languages, English, Vietnamese and Chinese.

 

[Deleted member 429453]

We need Callen.

Called is totally a closet self hating homosexual

 

[freakyfarley]

Cung Le can say hello to you in 3 languages, English, Vietnamese and Chinese.

So besides Sanshou, got any examples of traditional
kung fu techniques used in any real or mma fight? Genuinly curious because a lot of people can start out in kung fu and never use any of the techniques in mma again. Which is what happens a lot.