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I've watched alot of the video's available of gsp,wand,sherk, pretty much the pro's who's gas seems to run and run, and was wondering if anyone know's how these guys split their routines? Do they train full body like 3 days a week or what? Also if anyone knows of any really good strength and conditioning books or dvd's i could try and get a hold of it would be much appreciated, trying to take my own training to the next level, thanks ppl
 
Cheers for the reply, kinda makes you wonder i mean 90% of people who post in the heavy's claim to train, you'd think more people who train would care about improving their training and condition, thanks anyway i'll check it out now
 
Cheers for the reply, kinda makes you wonder i mean 90% of people who post in the heavy's claim to train, you'd think more people who train would care about improving their training and condition, thanks anyway i'll check it out now

You're welcome. PLease feel free to comment and let me know how I can help with other info.
 
Dude stop plugging your website in every thread.

Paolo can you help me with that. I put my address as a signature because in my User CP the place it suggests to place a website doesn't stay saved. I'm not trying to gratuitiously promote my website. Just having trouble finding where it needs to go in accordance with sherdog. Thank you.
 
Kenzo, your website is funny. endurance "Think about it. How many programs out there do this for their resistance training? None, last I checked" strength " strength "again, who lifts like this? Very few"

Honestly? THAT'S your argument? nobody trains like this so it must be good? I'm not questioning the quality of your product, only the arguments made on the site. It certainly wouldn't benefit you to say something like "the only program that may be better than ours is one outlined in Ross Enamaits products" but honestly you really think you guys are THAT unique?

I mean ok, how about this:
The purpose of this [core] phase is to increase stability throughout your trunk, increase muscular endurance improve neuromuscular efficiency of the core muscles
Are you doing two separate things here? because neuromuscular efficiency is most commonly thought of as best built through heavy loads and low reps, NOT loading parameters conducive to endurance.
In order to progress properly to the strength and power phases, you need to prepare your neuro-muscular system for the intense training to come.
Why? Asside from conditioning your core musculature to prevent injury, I see no reason to prepare your neuro-muscular system for intense training besides "psyching" yourself up. should you have adequate stability? sure! but thats more about the development and strengthening of muscle than it is improving CNS function.
If your endurance capabilities are not enhanced, it will affect the level of strength and power achieved.
"it will affect," to what extent? these weasel words allude to greater problems than will actually occur. Work capacity allows you to lift more during difference phases of a periodized routine, allowing you to handle more volume, but how much this is true is a matter of debate. The best lifters in the world don't suffer and often employ minimal GPP work to increase work capacity.

The strength and power videos have little to do with either strength or power and the description of the strength section is riddled with even more bad science, and statements not substantiated in the videos anyways, like this gem:
By using the concept of
 
Kenzo, your website is funny. endurance "Think about it. How many programs out there do this for their resistance training? None, last I checked" strength " strength "again, who lifts like this? Very few"

Honestly? THAT'S your argument? nobody trains like this so it must be good? I'm not questioning the quality of your product, only the arguments made on the site. It certainly wouldn't benefit you to say something like "the only program that may be better than ours is one outlined in Ross Enamaits products" but honestly you really think you guys are THAT unique?

I mean ok, how about this:
Are you doing two separate things here? because neuromuscular efficiency is most commonly thought of as best built through heavy loads and low reps, NOT loading parameters conducive to endurance.
Why? Asside from conditioning your core musculature to prevent injury, I see no reason to prepare your neuro-muscular system for intense training besides "psyching" yourself up. should you have adequate stability? sure! but thats more about the development and strengthening of muscle than it is improving CNS function.
"it will affect," to what extent? these weasel words allude to greater problems than will actually occur. Work capacity allows you to lift more during difference phases of a periodized routine, allowing you to handle more volume, but how much this is true is a matter of debate. The best lifters in the world don't suffer and often employ minimal GPP work to increase work capacity.

The strength and power videos have little to do with either strength or power and the description of the strength section is riddled with even more bad science, and statements not substantiated in the videos anyways, like this gem:
Time under tension is a shitty strength buiding paradigm to begin with. it's something that a BODYBUILDER invented to increase SIZE and perceived intensity of a workout.
this tempo was not AT ALL demonstrated in the video offered. And an exagerated eccentric phase will most likely lead to greater soreness. I guess if your goal is to make relatively untrained people feel like they got a good workout, this ia pretty good way to go, but generally if you have time and concentration to count a cadence in your lift, you're not going heavy enough to facilitate strength gains. But maybe you and I have different definitions of strength. I define strength as peak force generation through maximal mass (as opposed to acceleration).
Source? compensation patterns are a functional and postural deficiency, there's no reason you couldn't lift heavy AND avoid both compensation patterns as well as injury with proper attention to rehab and muscular or flexibility imbalances.

oddly enough, the literature in your power section seems prettyaccurate. I'd note only that some powerlifting gyms out there have measure the increase in power output from heavy lifting and found it to match what would come from explosive lifting (dynamic effort training with bands and chains) with the added benefit of increasing your peak strength (ability to move larger masses). is lifting heavy like this MOST beneficial to all athletes, no. probably not. but i would bet that a lot of athletes just starting to lift would benefit tremendously from heavy lifting before moving on to more advanced protocols.

I'm not passing judgement on your product, but the statements made, the sample videos offered, and the fact that you're plugging a product for free on a website with paid sponsors (which makes you essentially a spammer) makes it subject to scrutiny.

oh snap somebody got owned.
 
Kenzo, your website is funny. endurance "Think about it. How many programs out there do this for their resistance training? None, last I checked" strength " strength "again, who lifts like this? Very few"

Honestly? THAT'S your argument? nobody trains like this so it must be good? I'm not questioning the quality of your product, only the arguments made on the site. It certainly wouldn't benefit you to say something like "the only program that may be better than ours is one outlined in Ross Enamaits products" but honestly you really think you guys are THAT unique?

I mean ok, how about this:
Are you doing two separate things here? because neuromuscular efficiency is most commonly thought of as best built through heavy loads and low reps, NOT loading parameters conducive to endurance.
Why? Asside from conditioning your core musculature to prevent injury, I see no reason to prepare your neuro-muscular system for intense training besides "psyching" yourself up. should you have adequate stability? sure! but thats more about the development and strengthening of muscle than it is improving CNS function.
"it will affect," to what extent? these weasel words allude to greater problems than will actually occur. Work capacity allows you to lift more during difference phases of a periodized routine, allowing you to handle more volume, but how much this is true is a matter of debate. The best lifters in the world don't suffer and often employ minimal GPP work to increase work capacity.

The strength and power videos have little to do with either strength or power and the description of the strength section is riddled with even more bad science, and statements not substantiated in the videos anyways, like this gem:
Time under tension is a shitty strength buiding paradigm to begin with. it's something that a BODYBUILDER invented to increase SIZE and perceived intensity of a workout.
this tempo was not AT ALL demonstrated in the video offered. And an exagerated eccentric phase will most likely lead to greater soreness. I guess if your goal is to make relatively untrained people feel like they got a good workout, this ia pretty good way to go, but generally if you have time and concentration to count a cadence in your lift, you're not going heavy enough to facilitate strength gains. But maybe you and I have different definitions of strength. I define strength as peak force generation through maximal mass (as opposed to acceleration).
Source? compensation patterns are a functional and postural deficiency, there's no reason you couldn't lift heavy AND avoid both compensation patterns as well as injury with proper attention to rehab and muscular or flexibility imbalances.

oddly enough, the literature in your power section seems prettyaccurate. I'd note only that some powerlifting gyms out there have measure the increase in power output from heavy lifting and found it to match what would come from explosive lifting (dynamic effort training with bands and chains) with the added benefit of increasing your peak strength (ability to move larger masses). is lifting heavy like this MOST beneficial to all athletes, no. probably not. but i would bet that a lot of athletes just starting to lift would benefit tremendously from heavy lifting before moving on to more advanced protocols.

I'm not passing judgement on your product, but the statements made, the sample videos offered, and the fact that you're plugging a product for free on a website with paid sponsors (which makes you essentially a spammer) makes it subject to scrutiny.

He got Urbanowned.
 
Kenzo, your website is funny. endurance "Think about it. How many programs out there do this for their resistance training? None, last I checked" strength " strength "again, who lifts like this? Very few"

Honestly? THAT'S your argument? nobody trains like this so it must be good? I'm not questioning the quality of your product, only the arguments made on the site. It certainly wouldn't benefit you to say something like "the only program that may be better than ours is one outlined in Ross Enamaits products" but honestly you really think you guys are THAT unique?

I mean ok, how about this:
Are you doing two separate things here? because neuromuscular efficiency is most commonly thought of as best built through heavy loads and low reps, NOT loading parameters conducive to endurance.
Why? Asside from conditioning your core musculature to prevent injury, I see no reason to prepare your neuro-muscular system for intense training besides "psyching" yourself up. should you have adequate stability? sure! but thats more about the development and strengthening of muscle than it is improving CNS function.
"it will affect," to what extent? these weasel words allude to greater problems than will actually occur. Work capacity allows you to lift more during difference phases of a periodized routine, allowing you to handle more volume, but how much this is true is a matter of debate. The best lifters in the world don't suffer and often employ minimal GPP work to increase work capacity.

The strength and power videos have little to do with either strength or power and the description of the strength section is riddled with even more bad science, and statements not substantiated in the videos anyways, like this gem:
Time under tension is a shitty strength buiding paradigm to begin with. it's something that a BODYBUILDER invented to increase SIZE and perceived intensity of a workout.

this tempo was not AT ALL demonstrated in the video offered. And an exagerated eccentric phase will most likely lead to greater soreness. I guess if your goal is to make relatively untrained people feel like they got a good workout, this ia pretty good way to go, but generally if you have time and concentration to count a cadence in your lift, you're not going heavy enough to facilitate strength gains. But maybe you and I have different definitions of strength. I define strength as peak force generation through maximal mass (as opposed to acceleration).

Source? compensation patterns are a functional and postural deficiency, there's no reason you couldn't lift heavy AND avoid both compensation patterns as well as injury with proper attention to rehab and muscular or flexibility imbalances.

oddly enough, the literature in your power section seems prettyaccurate. I'd note only that some powerlifting gyms out there have measure the increase in power output from heavy lifting and found it to match what would come from explosive lifting (dynamic effort training with bands and chains) with the added benefit of increasing your peak strength (ability to move larger masses). is lifting heavy like this MOST beneficial to all athletes, no. probably not. but i would bet that a lot of athletes just starting to lift would benefit tremendously from heavy lifting before moving on to more advanced protocols.

I'm not passing judgement on your product, but the statements made, the sample videos offered, and the fact that you're plugging a product for free on a website with paid sponsors (which makes you essentially a spammer) makes it subject to scrutiny.




Urban, thank you for taking the time to evaluate my program. I really mean that. Let me first say that I'm not intentionally "spamming". In my post above yours I asked paolo27th for help on that very issue and he hasn't reponded yet. I f you could help me I would appreciate it. I'm all for doing things to protocol.

I was anticipating this because I realize alot of guys believe that the way they lift is the only way. I believe you need to keep your core lifting strategies and constantly seek other methods to allow you to keep progressing and prevent boredom. Our workouts are unique in how they are grouped and how they play out over the 90 days. I have seen Ross's stuff and that is one sick mofo! Dude is great at what he does. I'll do my best to address your questions based on my education and experience. I am by know means trying to tell anyone that their current workouts suck if they aren't doing things the way I suggest, I'm only trying to introduce another method based on the most current exercise science I could find.

The neuro-muscular efficiency statement: When taking on any new program the 1st adaptation is through the nervous system. This happens because you are putting more demand on the muscle and the nervous system has to recriut more muscle based on that increase in demand. Whether it be through increased weight, stability or volume. As a result of the nervous system recruiting more muscle, you become stronger than you were with little to no change in muscle size at first. As this continues, hypertrophy develops and if you keep the volume high and tempo controlled for the bodyparts and proper nutrition, you'll get bigger muscles.

The tempo reference (I don't count my lifting, just so you know but I do lift with control) is to emphasize controlled lifting so as to recruit the muscle you intend to recruit and reduce risk of injury through compensation patterns. A good example of this is benching and your shoulders and tri's are more fatigued then your pecs. Due to bad lifting form by rounding the shoulders to get the last part of the lift complete. I realize this doesn't happen to everyone but it's describing something called "synergistic dominance" were secondary movers take over function for a weak or inhibited prime mover. This repeated over time leads to muscle imbalance and injury.

Going heavy in an eccentric phase makes muscles sore. The eccentric is the lengthening phase of a muscle action and can handle about 125% of what the concentric can handle. Pure eccentric training does toast a muscle. What I'm advocating is what exercise science has discovered. The eccentric phase is where most of our strength gains come from. So spending more time in is part of the lift (time under tension staement) will yield more strength gains. Next is the isometric phase and then the concentric phase. I'm not talking about maximal strength just general strength gains. That's what I'm describing in the strength part of the program. Circling back if you increase the nervous systems efficiency you get stronger relative to where you were and what we're training for. So to answer a couple of questions at once, if you progress thru an endurance phase (emphasizing proper lifting form, posture and stability) the nervous system will use the correct muscle recruitment patterns
(limiting compensation and increasing neuro-muscular efficiency right from the get go)
This will translate into greater muscle readiness for the strength phase. Tendons and ligaments will be properly conditioned for the heavier loads needed in the strength phase to begin to achieve maximal strength. Once this is achieved, the body wil be ready to recieve the forces applied to it for the power training. And let me explain the power training. I'm not talking about power lifting.

Power= Force x Acceleration

Power lifters focus on the force side of the equation thru maximal force produced to lift heavy. My program focuses on the acceleration side of the equation where you get faster by moving a lighter implement (up to 10% of your bodyweight) as fast as possible with as close to perfect form thru a greater range of motion.
Compensation patterns are a functional and postural deficiency and I try to address that in the beginning of one's strength and conditioing program so we reduce risk of injury in the future.

That's all I can write now, have to get back to the family. I hope I answered your questions and please feel free to ask more in the future and I will explain where I'm coming from. Thank you Urban for taking the time to review my videos and ask very good questions. I also appreciate your respectfullness.

I hope everyone had a good 4th,
Kenzo
 
urban, thank you for taking the time to evaluate my program. I really mean that. Let me first say that i'm not intentionally "spamming". In my post above yours i asked paolo27th for help on that very issue and he hasn't reponded yet. I f you could help me i would appreciate it. I'm all for doing things to protocol.
I was anticipating this because i realize alot of guys believe that the way they lift is the only way. I believe you need to keep your core lifting strategies and constantly seek other methods to allow you to keep progressing and prevent boredom. Our workouts are unique in how they are grouped and how they play out over the 90 days. I have seen ross's stuff and that is one sick mofo! Dude is great at what he does. I'll do my best to address your questions based on my education and experience. I am by know means trying to tell anyone that their current workouts suck if they aren't doing things the way i suggest, i'm only trying to introduce another method based on the most current exercise science i could find.
The neuro-muscular efficiency statement: When taking on any new program the 1st adaptation is through the nervous system. This happens because you are putting more demand on the muscle and the nervous system has to recriut more muscle based on that increase in demand. Whether it be through increased weight, stability or volume. As a result of the nervous system recruiting more muscle, you become stronger than you were with little to no change in muscle size at first. As this continues, hypertrophy develops and if you keep the volume high and tempo controlled for the bodyparts and proper nutrition, you'll get bigger muscles.
The tempo reference (i don't count my lifting, just so you know but i do lift with control) is to emphasize controlled lifting so as to recruit the muscle you intend to recruit and reduce risk of injury through compensation patterns. A good example of this is benching and your shoulders and tri's are more fatigued then your pecs. Due to bad lifting form by rounding the shoulders to get the last part of the lift complete. I realize this doesn't happen to everyone but it's describing something called "synergistic dominance" were secondary movers take over function for a weak or inhibited prime mover. This repeated over time leads to muscle imbalance and injury.
Going heavy in an eccentric phase makes muscles sore. The eccentric is the lengthening phase of a muscle action and can handle about 125% of what the concentric can handle. Pure eccentric training does toast a muscle. What i'm advocating is what exercise science has discovered. The eccentric phase is where most of our strength gains come from. So spending more time in is part of the lift (time under tension staement) will yield more strength gains. Next is the isometric phase and then the concentric phase. I'm not talking about maximal strength just general strength gains. That's what i'm describing in the strength part of the program. Circling back if you increase the nervous systems efficiency you get stronger relative to where you were and what we're training for. So to answer a couple of questions at once, if you progress thru an endurance phase (emphasizing proper lifting form, posture and stability) the nervous system will use the correct muscle recruitment patterns
(limiting compensation and increasing neuro-muscular efficiency right from the get go)
this will translate into greater muscle readiness for the strength phase. Tendons and ligaments will be properly conditioned for the heavier loads needed in the strength phase to begin to achieve maximal strength. Once this is achieved, the body wil be ready to recieve the forces applied to it for the power training. And let me explain the power training. I'm not talking about power lifting.
Power= force x acceleration
power lifters focus on the force side of the equation thru maximal force produced to lift heavy. My program focuses on the acceleration side of the equation where you get faster by moving a lighter implement (up to 10% of your bodyweight) as fast as possible with as close to perfect form thru a greater range of motion.
Compensation patterns are a functional and postural deficiency and i try to address that in the beginning of one's strength and conditioing program so we reduce risk of injury in the future.
That's all i can write now, have to get back to the family. I hope i answered your questions and please feel free to ask more in the future and i will explain where i'm coming from. Thank you urban for taking the time to review my videos and ask very good questions. I also appreciate your respectfullness.

I hope everyone had a good 4th,
kenzo

seperated paragraphs, use them.
 
Kenzo, that looked like a big scary wall of text. I only got to the part where your said I didn`t get back to you. I`m sorry I`m not a mod so I can`t really help you with your problem. I just guess if you somehow show you have valuable info to share people will take the trouble to check out the link in your sig, as Urban did.

I actually checked it out too and it just gave me the impression to be another gimmiky training routine. It looked like a p90x with an mma twist. So I closed the window without reading much of it. Of course since I don`t know much about your methods I won`t write up a detailed criticism like Urban did. All I say is that from some of your posts it really looks like you know your stuff, while others are questionable at best.
 
TS. these athleats have strenght and conditioning coaches that arn't the same and many of them do things diffrently. alot of these guys do things difrent than they (and there coaches) would say is the best way to do it because of weight cutting also. Sherk does a almost body building weight program with his conditioning and thats kinda uneque to him
Welcome to 8 Weeks Out Rich Franklin, Spencer Fisher, and Lil Evl all work with these guys
Your Top Source For Free Boxing Training Advice This is also a good conditioning site, this guy has good free ingo and good books you can buy
MMA Conditioning Workout
Diesel Crew - Muscle Building, Athletic Development, Strength Training these last two sites have some good strenght routeens in them.

I hope you can gain some insite and put together a good workout after surfing these sites
 
Kenzo, that looked like a big scary wall of text. I only got to the part where your said I didn`t get back to you. I`m sorry I`m not a mod so I can`t really help you with your problem. I just guess if you somehow show you have valuable info to share people will take the trouble to check out the link in your sig, as Urban did.

I actually checked it out too and it just gave me the impression to be another gimmiky training routine. It looked like a p90x with an mma twist. So I closed the window without reading much of it. Of course since I don`t know much about your methods I won`t write up a detailed criticism like Urban did. All I say is that from some of your posts it really looks like you know your stuff, while others are questionable at best.


I just fixed my wall of text. Sorry about that didn't realize how menacing it looked until someone said something. I thought I had the signature thing figured out I will keep trying.

Thank you for the compliment paolo. I'm attempting to show guys another way to train so they could add it to their arsenal of fitness. I did all the bodybuilding and powerlifting routines in the past but being 36, my body seems to be resisting me more and more. I wish I was lifting the way I'm advocating now in the past because it would've saved me alot of pain. LOL I sound like an old man.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still extremely fit, I've just found another way that works for me. I realize we have to do what we feel works for us but that's what I thought I was doing back in the day.

As far as my vids, they are only like the P90X in that they are both 90 day programs. The workouts are set up differently and playout differently as far as being in an endurance phase for a month then going into a strength phase and then power (a month each) all leading up to peaking before a competition or fight. This how I trained when I fought and it worked for me.

There will always be people who question your methods and I welcome that. Hell, Bruce Lee was constantly handling neysayers and look at his influence now.

Thanks again.
 
Kenzo,

If you're going to use physics in your explanation of your training theories you need to at least get the equations right.

Power does not = Force x Acceleration as you have stated and that doesn't even make any sense.

Power = Force x Velocity, and there is a huge distinction between Velocity and Acceleration

"The eccentric phase is where most of our strength gains come from"

This is also incorrect. Science has actually shown us that eccentric training leads to the best improvements in eccentric strength and the same goes for the concentric side do to the principle of specificity, but general strength is most effectively improved from both the eccentric and concentric phases. There is no evidence to suggest "most of the strength gains come from the eccentric phase" and there is only limited research showing eccentric training produces slightly better results in terms of hypertrophy, but that has little to do with strength gains.

See the following review before making such comments:

The Influence of Frequency, Intensity,Volume and Mode of Strength
Training on Whole Muscle Cross-Sectional Area in Humans

Mathias Wernbom,1 Jesper Augustsson1,2 and Roland Thome
 
Kenzo,

If you're going to use physics in your explanation of your training theories you need to at least get the equations right.

Power does not = Force x Acceleration as you have stated and that doesn't even make any sense.

Power = Force x Velocity, and there is a huge distinction between Velocity and Acceleration

"The eccentric phase is where most of our strength gains come from"

This is also incorrect. Science has actually shown us that eccentric training leads to the best improvements in eccentric strength and the same goes for the concentric side do to the principle of specificity, but general strength is most effectively improved from both the eccentric and concentric phases. There is no evidence to suggest "most of the strength gains come from the eccentric phase" and there is only limited research showing eccentric training produces slightly better results in terms of hypertrophy, but that has little to do with strength gains.

See the following review before making such comments:

The Influence of Frequency, Intensity,Volume and Mode of Strength
Training on Whole Muscle Cross-Sectional Area in Humans

Mathias Wernbom,1 Jesper Augustsson1,2 and Roland Thome
 
Kenzo,

Heavy eccentrics is a very intense method and that is the reason you have seen such results fom it. It is not that the eccentric phase of the lift is that much more important or contributes that much more to strength, it's that you selected a very intense method, more intense than your athletes were used to, and so of course this stimulated further development in the nervous system, plain and simple.

You could have achieved the same thing with a variety of higher intensity methods like accomodating resistance, shock training, accentuated reps, the complex method, etc. because intensity is the primary stimulus for adaptation. Your athletes had hit plateaus because their intensity threshold had become too high and they weren't able to reach a high enough intensity to further see improvements through more traditional methods.

There are plenty of higher intensity methods aside from heavy eccentrics that can be used when necessary, and the eccentric portion of a lift itself is not some all important phase of lifting that is that much more critical to strength development than any other.
 
Kenzo,

Heavy eccentrics is a very intense method and that is the reason you have seen such results fom it. It is not that the eccentric phase of the lift is that much more important or contributes that much more to strength, it's that you selected a very intense method, more intense than your athletes were used to, and so of course this stimulated further development in the nervous system, plain and simple.

You could have achieved the same thing with a variety of higher intensity methods like accomodating resistance, shock training, accentuated reps, the complex method, etc. because intensity is the primary stimulus for adaptation. Your athletes had hit plateaus because their intensity threshold had become too high and they weren't able to reach a high enough intensity to further see improvements through more traditional methods.

There are plenty of higher intensity methods aside from heavy eccentrics that can be used when necessary, and the eccentric portion of a lift itself is not some all important phase of lifting that is that much more critical to strength development than any other.

EZA,

You couldn't be more right about the other high intense methods but I found this:

Eccentric Stress as a Superior Stimulus for Strength Improvements

It
 
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