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The problem with “low fighter pay” is that most fighters add no value to the UFC.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by PlasticFishBowl, May 13, 2021.

  1. PlasticFishBowl Orange Belt

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    This will attract anger so I want to start by saying I do wish fighters were paid more money.

    But let’s be real, there are four ways you get noticed in this sport:

    1.) Be elite (champs and title contenders)

    2.) Put on exciting fights (Jiri, Francis, etc.)

    3.) Work the mic and build up a following (Masvidal, Khamzat, Till, etc.

    4.) Be crazy (Mike Perry, Diego)

    Fighters can fall in multiple camps here. But, if you don’t fall into any of these, then no one is going to care about you.

    So take a good fighter like Michael Chiesa. He’s boring as shit, he provided one meme years ago (Don’t you dare), and he’s good but not champ good. If the UFC cut him, the reaction would be a few “don’t you dare” memes and then it would be forgotten one day later. He provides no value to the company. They would not lose $1 with him gone.

    Look at who we talk about here all day. Khamzat, Diego, Jiri, Francis, Black Beast, Mike Perry, Jones, etc.) These guys have value and worth. Some boring ass mofo like Neil Magny or Askar Askarov doesn’t. Can you really blame the UFC for not shelling out the big bucks for guys who add nothing to their bottom line?
     
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  2. Askren’s chin Banned Banned

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    Agreed, Conor and Dana should get 100% of the profits.
     
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  3. horseshoe_pass man Blue Belt

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    yep. people compare it to team sports but it's not comparable at all. if somebody in a team sport plays well it will benefit the business. that's why they pay the best players their share. but the nobodies on the undercard are interchangeable and have no impact on the business one way or another
     
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  4. MaulingMyClown Purple Belt

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    Not gonna lie, I enjoy how u didn't list Conor in any of the above lol
     
  5. KOPPE i used to wrestle in high school bro

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    You cant bring value if you are treated like you have no value
     
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  6. updowniri Green Belt

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    Most high payed employees are totally expendable. If the fighters got together and demanded a 50% revenue split or they all leave or stop fighting they would get paid more. No one would watch the UFC if it was obvious 90% of the top fighters are not there. If you don't form a union because of what ever reason, you will be broke. No need for senseless debate about right and wrong, not forming a union results in immediate punishment.
     
  7. I am the Walrus Orange Belt

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    This is true.... that being said the current pay for the undercard fighters is far from fair given the UFC's profits. Undercard fighters for lack of a better word are the cannon fodder needed to build up future champs. So even if most of them do little in their UFC run, they help build up the names that sell PPV
     
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  8. D'z Me against 40 of you?...A fair fight! -Big L Yellow Card

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  9. skylolow Silver Belt

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    I think we all understand that.
     
  10. avenue94 Brown Belt

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    And yet the most underpaid fighters by market value are your stars and top tier fighters. So what exactly is your point?

    You're also ignoring that the UFC doesn't lose any money on underarms these days, even if fighters there are more interchangable.
    So why is Conor likely the most underpaid fighter in the UFC? And like I said above, it's pretty much impossible for the UFC to lose money on ESPN prelims.
    So how do you get 30 percent of fighters to sign on for a card check? Let alone avoid the legal problem of collusion as independent contractors?
    It's partly that but more you have to run lower tier fighters at a loss or else too many prospects would wash out before they become profitable for a promoter.
     
  11. updowniri Green Belt

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    Nothing to do with "value" you make money by going on strike and holding the company hostage. The UFC fighters can do that or be poor.
     
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    If anything guys like Conor are underpayed
     
  13. avenue94 Brown Belt

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    You realize they don't have the legal protections to strike thay employees have right? And as independent contractors, they can't collude, with a few exceptions. Not to mention breaking a UFC strike wouldn't be super hard.
     
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    The problem with "Low IQ thread starters" is that most thread starters add no value to Sherdog.
     
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  15. Poser Caust Brown Belt

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    If you've watched a prelim and think that prelim fighters ad nothing to the sport then you are entirely full of shit
     
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  16. RemyR Red Belt

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    Big facts.

    How the fuck can someone get their name out there when UFC owns their name value?
     
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    Ufc needs to be able to sale the entire card. More promoting is required. In boxing your just selling one fight. And fans are only tuning into that one fight.
     
  18. dipstickjimmy Red Belt

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    You are greatly over estimating the economic value of the Sherdog community IMO. Would illegal streaming numbers drop if Sherdoggers didn't have their favourite cult hero anymore? Yes. But how many on here go to UFC events live? Buy PPVs or merchandise?

    The UFC was built as the best MMA org by having the best fight the best. The along comes lightning in a bottle with individuals like Rhonda and Conor and it grew. Rhonda doesn't become a big deal winning the Strike Force WMMA title and Conor doesn't become a big deal if he had 2 belts in Bellator. It was only the individual's mystique & charisma combined with holding the Kleenex or Xerox of MMA title. The UFC title has meaning when Conor & Rhonda have it because it has Brand Name value. With every champ trying to be Conor it doesn't work. They hold out to pick and choose fights. They make more money being a UFC champ doing seminars and appearances and cameos in movies and rapping then they do actually fighting.

    The UFC got their ESPN deal based on the entire roster being able to put on TV product. Live product that is less valuable after the event so people actually tune in when broadcast. Look at the contracts of the lowest WWE performers. They have little expenses and make OK money on a contract. UFC fighters can spend on a camp, travel at their expense, make it to fight week and even fight night and have their fight cancelled and not get a cent thru no fault of their own. The UFC uses all the power of an employer but enjoy all the benefits of having independent contractors.
     
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    OP thinks if the UFC only kept ten fighters on the roster in each division they would be making the same money on PPV's as they are currently. Maybe more!!
     
  20. updowniri Green Belt

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    You don't need the government to sponsor a strike. Just strike for more pay until they cave. Pro union laws are a plus but not necessary.
     

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