The Power Within.

[mikezismike]

just wanna share and please share your thoughts and there stand-up technique.

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[fluffball]

My dragon style WILL defeat your tiger style.

 

[mikezismike]

My dragon style WILL defeat your tiger style.

lol i bet you grew up watching those kind of techniques?

 

[fluffball]

If you're asking if Enter the Dragon is the great MA movie of all time, I'd say maybe, Jet Li in his early career had some good ones. I can't think of the name but the one where he opens the movie by knee barring the guy standing up is a good one.

 

[Katriona1992]

I am suprised the monk repeatly leans backwards when he kicks. I've done muay thai and taekwondo (WTF) before and it was discouraged since its easy to lose one's balance that way...

 

[JKkiM**]

I am suprised the monk repeatly leans backwards when he kicks. I've done muay thai and taekwondo (WTF) before and it was discouraged since its easy to lose one's balance that way...

Don't you take boxing as well? Even in boxing you don't lean with your back, you lean with your body and hips. That's why I want to see a proper boxer destroy Anderson Silva's silly movements. Chael did it pretty well in their first fight, especially in the 1st round.

 

[fluffball]

Did Silva lean in?? That's a huge rookie mistake. I'd like to see video proof cuz I can pretty much promise he's a better fighter than you or I.

And if he did I feel like it ended in a KO.

 

[mikezismike]

If you're asking if Enter the Dragon is the great MA movie of all time, I'd say maybe, Jet Li in his early career had some good ones. I can't think of the name but the one where he opens the movie by knee barring the guy standing up is a good one.

top 1-3 i'd say m8. yeah jet li is really talented martial artist he won the wushu competition when he was really young right?

I am suprised the monk repeatly leans backwards when he kicks. I've done muay thai and taekwondo (WTF) before and it was discouraged since its easy to lose one's balance that way...

i think practicing early of age contributes them to master it that's why they do it with ease.

 

[hurr2323]

Ignoring the jibber jabber about enter the dragon and anderson silva, I thought the video in question was pretty ridiculous.

The technique they were showcasing over and over again is actually fine (the kick counter where he sweeps the leg out). I've seen it done in actual competition settings, especially modified versions in muay thai. Its actually fairly common, but still rare enough that when you see someone pull it off you stop and say, "Damn, that was beautiful".

That said, I seriously doubt anyone in this video had the skill to actually apply the technique in and mid to high level competition. It was all very choreographed. And the portions that were't choreographed (i.e. the shirtless guy kicking the bags and pads) made me cringe. He showed what I consider to be poor technique. Hands down, flat footed, off balance, etc.

The rest of the video was filled with hype about kung fu hidden secrets based on deadly animal movements, interspersed with some of the b.s. breaking demos that are widely known to be simple, albeit painful tricks. I refer to breaking iron per the head, and hammers smashing bricks on the skull.

I have seen traditional kung fu guys who were skilled and badass. I have seen sanda guys who could beat anyone's ass in the ring. This video doesn't have a hint of either one of these, just a bastardized version of both. Look somewhere else for technique.

 

[thewhiteSRR]

Don't you take boxing as well? Even in boxing you don't lean with your back, you lean with your body and hips. That's why I want to see a proper boxer destroy Anderson Silva's silly movements. Chael did it pretty well in their first fight, especially in the 1st round.

chael and silva were not having a boxing match.

 

[Hotora86]

Ignoring the jibber jabber about enter the dragon and anderson silva, I thought the video in question was pretty ridiculous.

The technique they were showcasing over and over again is actually fine (the kick counter where he sweeps the leg out). I've seen it done in actual competition settings, especially modified versions in muay thai. Its actually fairly common, but still rare enough that when you see someone pull it off you stop and say, "Damn, that was beautiful".

That said, I seriously doubt anyone in this video had the skill to actually apply the technique in and mid to high level competition. It was all very choreographed. And the portions that were't choreographed (i.e. the shirtless guy kicking the bags and pads) made me cringe. He showed what I consider to be poor technique. Hands down, flat footed, off balance, etc.

The rest of the video was filled with hype about kung fu hidden secrets based on deadly animal movements, interspersed with some of the b.s. breaking demos that are widely known to be simple, albeit painful tricks. I refer to breaking iron per the head, and hammers smashing bricks on the skull.

I have seen traditional kung fu guys who were skilled and badass. I have seen sanda guys who could beat anyone's ass in the ring. This video doesn't have a hint of either one of these, just a bastardized version of both. Look somewhere else for technique.

Great post!

I will add that Sashou (Sanda) is actually a MODERN style of Kung Fu where they basically took everything that worked, threw out most of the bullshit and decided on kickboxing rules with throws allowed for sparring. So blabbering about "secret" techniques and tradition in Sanda is pretty silly.

The "traditional" commentary, breaking, funky jumping, enlightenment, gray fake-old footage and decorations make this whole video look like an infomercial. They're basically trying to sell this both to people interested in kickboxing and to people interested in self-defense AND the people interested in Chinese culture.

Finally, the Shaolin Temple was destroyed a long time ago and the one that exists now has little to do with its namesake or with real fighting. The Shaolin group that travels around the world with demonstrations is more like a circus than anything else. There are some great fighters coming from a sport Sanda background but they have little-to-nothing in common with the Shaolin Temple.

 

[peanut66]

good video , thanks for sharing ,
just to let the bashers know that most of what you are taught today , derives from kung fu , karate of the past , instead of bashing it , watch his footwork , his timing , when he retreats and when he attacks , the very end of the video when he is showing the side step , is a gem by itself , he has angled off , went from a backwards motion to a circular forward motion and attacked with bassically two steps , his front foot hardley touches the floor and he is back in range again , beautiful ,kinda looks like what machida does , hey , instead of wondering how anderson silva has an uncanny ability to counter like that , the monk just showed you , peace out


martial arts derived from india == a few thousand years ago
kung fu was developed from that art ==== couple thousand years ago
modern day karate was developed from kung fu and others == couple hundred years ago
modern day tae kwon do === within 60 years
modern day judo === within a hundred years
brasilian jiu jitsu from judo == within 80 years
modern day western boxing === 1800s
mixed martial arts === within 20 years



im guessing at the dates , just trying to show the roots of martial arts and how the ancient movements have grown into what we do today ,,,, kung fu says == whos your daddy ?

 

[Hotora86]

good video , thanks for sharing ,
just to let the bashers know that most of what you are taught today , derives from kung fu , karate of the past , instead of bashing it , watch his footwork , his timing , when he retreats and when he attacks , the very end of the video when he is showing the side step , is a gem by itself , he has angled off , went from a backwards motion to a circular forward motion and attacked with bassically two steps , his front foot hardley touches the floor and he is back in range again , beautiful ,kinda looks like what machida does , hey , instead of wondering how anderson silva has an uncanny ability to counter like that , the monk just showed you , peace out


martial arts derived from india == a few thousand years ago
kung fu was developed from that art ==== couple thousand years ago
modern day karate was developed from kung fu and others == couple hundred years ago
modern day tae kwon do === within 60 years
modern day judo === within a hundred years
brasilian jiu jitsu from judo == within 80 years
modern day western boxing === 1800s
mixed martial arts === within 20 years



im guessing at the dates , just trying to show the roots of martial arts and how the ancient movements have grown into what we do today ,,,, kung fu says == whos your daddy ?

This coming from a TMA guy: European boxing and wrestling has no roots in Kung Fu. Ancient Greeks practiced bare-knuckle boxing and wrestling almost 3 thousand years ago and Pankration (the oldest MMA-like sport known to man) was introduced into the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC.

 

[peanut66]

This coming from a TMA guy: European boxing and wrestling has no roots in Kung Fu. Ancient Greeks practiced bare-knuckle boxing and wrestling almost 3 thousand years ago and Pankration (the oldest MMA-like sport known to man) was introduced into the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC.

i referred to modern day boxing , sure there are ancient egyptians with gloves on their hands ,i am referring to the motions , footwork , counters and overall body motions of kung fu in inspiring modern day boxing not necessarily the root of boxing .

also my timetable was just an example of how long certain arts have been in existence , not meaning that they are direct descendants of kung fu , but more indirect relatives of martial arts as a whole .

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Theres actually no evidence kung fu evolved from Indian martial arts.

The only link to said thoery is the legend of damo and that has been proven to be false as he didnt know martial arts at all.

 

[peanut66]

Theres actually no evidence kung fu evolved from Indian martial arts.

The only link to said thoery is the legend of damo and that has been proven to be false as he didnt know martial arts at all.

i dont know enough about the subject to disagree with you , its just always been a belife of mine that martial arts originated in india , i have never studied kung fu , but find its motions fascinating , i have been watching lot of videos lately of the art and try to incorporate some motions into my sparring , it blends nicely with boxing and kicking from a footwork standpoint , if you want to better understand your opponents motion and put yourself into optimal striking situations ,i highly suggest watching and learning some of the techniques ,

 

[hurr2323]

good video , thanks for sharing ,
just to let the bashers know that most of what you are taught today , derives from kung fu , karate of the past , instead of bashing it , watch his footwork , his timing , when he retreats and when he attacks , the very end of the video when he is showing the side step , is a gem by itself , he has angled off , went from a backwards motion to a circular forward motion and attacked with bassically two steps , his front foot hardley touches the floor and he is back in range again , beautiful ,kinda looks like what machida does , hey , instead of wondering how anderson silva has an uncanny ability to counter like that , the monk just showed you , peace out


martial arts derived from india == a few thousand years ago
kung fu was developed from that art ==== couple thousand years ago
modern day karate was developed from kung fu and others == couple hundred years ago
modern day tae kwon do === within 60 years
modern day judo === within a hundred years
brasilian jiu jitsu from judo == within 80 years
modern day western boxing === 1800s
mixed martial arts === within 20 years



im guessing at the dates , just trying to show the roots of martial arts and how the ancient movements have grown into what we do today ,,,, kung fu says == whos your daddy ?

First off, no one is bashing kung fu or sanda. These guys just don't display either. Not very well anyway. Try reading a bit more critically.

As someone else pointed out, your beliefs about origins of martial arts are wrong. Martial arts have evolved all over the world, at all different times. It's not the linear point a to point b you seem to think. Martial arts in china predate buddhism, by several centuries, so some traveling monk from india did not teach kung fu to the chinese. Has kung fu had an influence on martial arts? Yes. Is it the fountain head of all fighting technique? Not by a freaking longshot.

As for the so called beautiful timing - ITS A DEMO!!! You don't have to have good timing when you know exactly what the guy is going to do, and exactly how you are going to respond! That's not timing. Its this thing actors do from time to time. Rehearsing.

Now, if you want to see an actual fighter use this technique in an actual fight against an actual resisting opponent, check out this video, at one minute in. (Its my first time trying to embed, so it may not work).

Saenchai Highlight - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

 

[peanut66]

First off, no one is bashing kung fu or sanda. These guys just don't display either. Not very well anyway. Try reading a bit more critically.

As someone else pointed out, your beliefs about origins of martial arts are wrong. Martial arts have evolved all over the world, at all different times. It's not the linear point a to point b you seem to think. Martial arts in china predate buddhism, by several centuries, so some traveling monk from india did not teach kung fu to the chinese. Has kung fu had an influence on martial arts? Yes. Is it the fountain head of all fighting technique? Not by a freaking longshot.

As for the so called beautiful timing - ITS A DEMO!!! You don't have to have good timing when you know exactly what the guy is going to do, and exactly how you are going to respond! That's not timing. Its this thing actors do from time to time. Rehearsing.

Now, if you want to see an actual fighter use this technique in an actual fight against an actual resisting opponent, check out this video, at one minute in. (Its my first time trying to embed, so it may not work).

Saenchai Highlight - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

obviously you took offense to my comments ,
so just because you dont find that kung fu vid informative , everyone else isnt supposed to ,

im not a kung fu nut hugger buddy , and what i think about martial arts and the lineage of martial arts is up to debate , schloars have made these opinions , not i , it just matters who you want to believe, , now " legs" (whos opinion i respect ) has brought up a point about martial arts not deriving from india , which i havent studied , so im not going to agree or disagree with his point ,yet, my comments were that this video has value and should not be shrugged off as poppy**** ,
furthermore , i feel that the only info on martial arts you have is what you just read off the internet , just before replying to my post (its true isnt it ) i found your remrks about that kung fu video disrespectful to the art and pointed out good exaples in the video ,

also a video of a saenchai hilight , as if you are the only one who has heard of the guy , doesnt make your point , unless you are the guy in the video ,, so keep on trolling

 

[hurr2323]

Don't be fooled by my low post count. I have been training, actually training, martial arts longer than I have been posting on the internet. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, I'm a relative beginner in fact, but I like to think I know good from bad. I just don't like to contribute to a discussion unless I feel I can add something useful. So just because I have a whitebelt under my name, don't assume I don't know a little about what I'm talking about.

Looking up stuff to make a post? No. You don't see me quoting names of scholars no one actually cares about, or citing random dates. I made some very general statements coming from what I assumed was common knowledge to most people in the martial arts.

But doing a little research before a post can be a good thing. For example, in your case. You should have done some research about the history of kung fu, before stating that martial arts travelled from india to china, a theory that has been bashed up and down martial arts forums for years.

And the saenchai vid? Of course he is widely known. I'm not trying to pull out some obscure fighter. He is arguably the most famous man in muay thai, and this is A STRIKING FORUM! Of course you have heard of him! I just wanted you to see good technique, since your hard on for this kung fu vid tells me you don't know what that is.

And for the last time, I meant no disrespect to the martial art. Just its poorer practitioners in the video, who arguably have some amazing skill. It just happens to be skill in gymnastics, more so than fighting.

 

[peanut66]

Don't be fooled by my low post count. I have been training, actually training, martial arts longer than I have been posting on the internet. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, I'm a relative beginner in fact, but I like to think I know good from bad. I just don't like to contribute to a discussion unless I feel I can add something useful. So just because I have a whitebelt under my name, don't assume I don't know a little about what I'm talking about.

Looking up stuff to make a post? No. You don't see me quoting names of scholars no one actually cares about, or citing random dates. I made some very general statements coming from what I assumed was common knowledge to most people in the martial arts.

But doing a little research before a post can be a good thing. For example, in your case. You should have done some research about the history of kung fu, before stating that martial arts travelled from india to china, a theory that has been bashed up and down martial arts forums for years.

And the saenchai vid? Of course he is widely known. I'm not trying to pull out some obscure fighter. He is arguably the most famous man in muay thai, and this is A STRIKING FORUM! Of course you have heard of him! I just wanted you to see good technique, since your hard on for this kung fu vid tells me you don't know what that is.

And for the last time, I meant no disrespect to the martial art. Just its poorer practitioners in the video, who arguably have some amazing skill. It just happens to be skill in gymnastics, more so than fighting.

buddy ,, like really? i dont care to know anything about you or your opinions , fuck off.