The Official "How to adapt Judo to no gi" Thread

nak pulls off throws all the time

all the time???? hmpf, he might get little trips "all the time" (don't get me wrong they work and that's fine and all...) but to say he thorws people 'all the time" is stretching it quite a bit in MY HUMBLE opinion. But we can always agree to disagree. Kayro on the other hand is the truth. TRU DAT!!
 
yea but you have a head start on the bandwagoners. which means more newbies to toss.
 
blanko said:
all the time???? hmpf, he might get little trips "all the time" (don't get me wrong they work and that's fine and all...) but to say he thorws people 'all the time" is stretching it quite a bit in MY HUMBLE opinion. But we can always agree to disagree. Kayro on the other hand is the truth. TRU DAT!!

Err

He throws lots of people with his harai gosh including randleman and busta.
 
I find that the whizzer grip works very well for Tai otoshi, I have thrown seasoned people with that no gi. Sasae is another one that is fun to try no gi, try it from an elbow and collar tie, just remember that the hand that is on the elbow should give the pull. A good no gi way to try Ko ouchi gari is from an arm drag, pull their arm downward when they step forward to balance on that foot sweep it and drive with ko uchi. These are the ones that have been most successful for me in no gi training and competition, I have pulled off foootsweeps no gi, but those take practice to adapt for no go and everyone will have a different style with footsweeps. most of the basic hip throws in judo will work no gi by wither grabbing around the waist or head, head is better, more control that way.
 
Err

He throws lots of people with his harai gosh including randleman and busta.

Oh well "lots of people" ? I disagree but hey it really doesn't matter petty details. What's important is that he is no Kayro.
 
blanko said:
Oh well "lots of people" ? I disagree but hey it really doesn't matter petty details. What's important is that he is no Kayro.

You have got to remember that lighter guys have higher and faster throws. The heavier guys are slower with more leg attacks.

Nak, for 200, has pulled off some decnt uchi mata and harai goshi, but yeah, they were slow compared to how Karo whips his.

Yosh and Fedor score low attacks often.

Nak has thrown Randleman a couple times, and Daniel and Busta a couple, most his fights. All slow however.
 
Shadowdean said:
Karo has not faught the same calibur of people as Yoshida.
This kind of sweat sack-puss may fly in MMA Discussion, but please don't post bullshit nuthugging answers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

In MMA, Yoshida's only elite opponents are Wandy (2x) and Hunt. Of course those two are formidable, but the second hasn't even committed to MMA and his weakness is best suited to be exploited by a Judoka.

Aside from that, he fought an over-the-hill Frye and Royce. Then of course there was a 40-something Tank Abott, we all know what a wrecking ball he is. Finally we have Rulon Gardner, the gold medal NOTHING in MMA.

Karo, on the other hand, fights in the most loaded division in the world: the UFC Welterweight division. He's fought Sherk twice, Strasser, GSP, Diaz, Lytle, and Matt Serra. Shit, man, once he fights Hughes (cause you know it's gonna happen) and Diego his fight record is gonna be the who's who of the Top 10 in WW.

Seriously, where the fuck do you get off nonchalantly posting BS like this? This is probably the thing that pisses me off the most about this forum.
 
Madmick said:
This kind of sweat sack-puss may fly in MMA Discussion, but please don't post bullshit nuthugging answers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

In MMA, Yoshida's only elite opponents are Wandy (2x) and Hunt. Of course those two are formidable, but the second hasn't even committed to MMA and his weakness is best suited to be exploited by a Judoka.

Aside from that, he fought an over-the-hill Frye and Royce. Then of course there was a 40-something Tank Abott, we all know what a wrecking ball he is. Finally we have Rulon Gardner, the gold medal NOTHING in MMA.

Karo, on the other hand, fights in the most loaded division in the world: the UFC Welterweight division. He's fought Sherk twice, Strasser, GSP, Diaz, Lytle, and Matt Serra. Shit, man, once he fights Hughes (cause you know it's gonna happen) and Diego his fight record is gonna be the who's who of the Top 10 in WW.

Seriously, where the fuck do you get off nonchalantly posting BS like this? This is probably the thing that pisses me off the most about this forum.

Yoshs comp for his 'only' 8 fights is very respectable.

However, the WW division in the ufc is the most competitive division in mma, imo, so kudos to Karo.
 
Originally Posted by blanko:
yea it's wierd how karyo can juse judo more effectively than say greater judokas sush as yoshida
I don't think it's so weird. Yoshida is a pure Judo specialist, who won the WC and the Olympics and suddenly had the crazy idea of getting into MMA (obviously a pretty good one though). Karo is a Judo guy, who trains under Gokor who has been a fighter his whole life. It's easier to adapt Judo to fighting, if you have a background in fighting.
 
So I guess this isnt "The Official "How to adapt Judo to no gi" Thread " anymore? Personally I prefer a more technical discussion than some lame debate of MMA personalities.
 
AND THEN IT CAME TO ME IN A DREAM.

Yama Arashi, off of a Russian (a.k.a. 2 on 1)

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For you non wrestlers, a Russian is a counter to a collar tie. You stand next to him, both facing the same way, while your two arms grab his one. Maybe you'd have to do a reverse Russian?

Either way, siiiick. I'm going to try it.
 
Madmick said:
This kind of sweat sack-puss may fly in MMA Discussion, but please don't post bullshit nuthugging answers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

In MMA, Yoshida's only elite opponents are Wandy (2x) and Hunt. Of course those two are formidable, but the second hasn't even committed to MMA and his weakness is best suited to be exploited by a Judoka.

Aside from that, he fought an over-the-hill Frye and Royce. Then of course there was a 40-something Tank Abott, we all know what a wrecking ball he is. Finally we have Rulon Gardner, the gold medal NOTHING in MMA.

Karo, on the other hand, fights in the most loaded division in the world: the UFC Welterweight division. He's fought Sherk twice, Strasser, GSP, Diaz, Lytle, and Matt Serra. Shit, man, once he fights Hughes (cause you know it's gonna happen) and Diego his fight record is gonna be the who's who of the Top 10 in WW.

Seriously, where the fuck do you get off nonchalantly posting BS like this? This is probably the thing that pisses me off the most about this forum.

Dude, you have to listen to Madmick. Remember, his striking coach is better than Bruce Lee. [/sarcasm]
 
One of the things I have learned since doing judo, with no-gi, before it was cool, was...

at grappling...a wrestler will soon learn to shoot a single, for no score, and end your stand-up game. From there, don't pull gaurd unless you have to. Fight rite back and you will find you are more than capable. It is a reflex from sport judo to pull gaurd.
You can still pull-off osotos and uchimatas from a shitty single, don't worry that they'll, maybe, only get a koka. Drive their head hard every time. Where his head goes...u know.

at grappling...a bjjer will soon learn to pull gaurd. Not much you can do I find. Use your power. That makes you a tuff wrestler (with subs) to them. Have patience and stay alert! Don't get bored. The rules are simple and it is anybodys game. Don't let them inch around without recovering your strong base.

Of course, don't turtle. Thats 3 or 4 for them.

In mma, the rules favor you.:)

+ I have got lots of no-gi judo tech that work.
 
Not to be the asshole, but the no-gi adaptions for the popular judo throws are described in the kata. It's just a matter of getting round to training those variants - which virtually no one does since there's so little demand.
 
blanko said:
the thing is... None other than Kayro has used Judo THROWS with any kind of consistency in MMA...

True, but you see them every once in a while. Fedor uses similar throws all the time, as well as Sergei Kharitonov. He loves going for Ouchi Gari and the hip throw (see the Ninja fight). Also on Sergei's Pride to the Top documentary he does a bunch of no-gi Sambo throws.

I think that basic Greco holds work very well. Collar, 2on1,overhooks,underhooks, over-under all allow for any thow under the sun.
 
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