Matt Thornton
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I know there have been some threads about Judo in the past, specifically about how to modify some of the throws. But I thought it would be cool to have a thread where people post what they've found works for them. Until Gokor and Gene LeBell show us some more of that stuff they're showing over at Hayastan (besides the Karo DVD), there are still some things to figure out.
I've never done Judo before, but after wrestling season, I'm definitely hoping to cross train in it. I don't plan on walking in and asking them to just show me stuff with no gi; I am going to learn it with gi. But as I go along I'd like to try to figure out how to adapt some of it (I know though you need to be a really good Judoka to do this).
Alright, so I really know nothing. I won't pretend that I do. But I'll post the small amount that I've seen. Correct me if I'm wrong, and please add what you've done or seen.
THE JUDO TIE UP
This one seems tough. In wrestling, I see guys tie up with either over/under hooks, or a collar tie. But in Judo, I see guys stand straight up, and grip each other's sleeves. This is tough to adapt for no gi (sweat and no sleeves), and even tougher for MMA (sweat and punches). But the other night, a guy at my gym who did Judo for a while was doing some Judo techniques that are used off of a Judo tie-up. I immediately asked him how he was doing it. He showed me, and I think I've seen this in wrestling, too.
Overhook his arms. But, to prevent him from bodylocking you, bring your hands together, make fists, and bring them under his arms and post them on his chest. This traps his arms, and your fists are preventing him from getting in close to body lock you. For no gi, this is great. You can try to work for moves like Ashigaru, Kosote Gake... I haven't tried it, but I've seen it done, and it just might allow you to work some of those awesome Judo foot sweeps.
O GOSHI
This one has been seen and done. In wrestling it's known as the hip toss or hip throw. Instead of gripping his sleeve, grip his tricep. Instead of grabbing his belt, wrap your arm around his waist, and if needed, pull up on the underhooking side to guide him.
SEOI NAGE
This is one of my favorite Judo techniques. It's really tough to do when he's sweaty, but I have done it at wrestling practice before. If you're lucky enough, it does work.
When it's too hard, though, there's an easy way to adapt the Seoi Nage for no gi and MMA. Karo does it all the time, and we learn it in wrestling. When you step in, do it FAST, and quickly drop to your knees. You're in effect, doing a drop seoi nage. With enough practice, this move works really well, and it takes him by surprise. Karo hits this one really nicely.
OUCHI GARI
I like this move. Basic, effective, looks cool. Excellent move to use in a throwing combo.
Again, this is what I've seen. Please don't think I'm preaching. I'm just trying to state what I've read or seen.
Instead of the gi grip, work for double underhooks. If possible, try to immediately move yourself once he hits the ground, because this move will place you in his guard, and you won't be postured up.
With some of the other "reaping" moves (moves that end in "Gari"), you can substitute the gi grip with over hooks and under hooks.
For a lot of you Judoka out there who are into MMA in some way, you're probably saying "Yeah, no kidding." I dont know if I even helped anyone, some of this stuff is pretty obvious to Judoka who know what they're doing. But I wanted to kick off the thread with something, and who knows, maybe it contributed in some way.
I've never done Judo before, but after wrestling season, I'm definitely hoping to cross train in it. I don't plan on walking in and asking them to just show me stuff with no gi; I am going to learn it with gi. But as I go along I'd like to try to figure out how to adapt some of it (I know though you need to be a really good Judoka to do this).
Alright, so I really know nothing. I won't pretend that I do. But I'll post the small amount that I've seen. Correct me if I'm wrong, and please add what you've done or seen.
THE JUDO TIE UP
This one seems tough. In wrestling, I see guys tie up with either over/under hooks, or a collar tie. But in Judo, I see guys stand straight up, and grip each other's sleeves. This is tough to adapt for no gi (sweat and no sleeves), and even tougher for MMA (sweat and punches). But the other night, a guy at my gym who did Judo for a while was doing some Judo techniques that are used off of a Judo tie-up. I immediately asked him how he was doing it. He showed me, and I think I've seen this in wrestling, too.
Overhook his arms. But, to prevent him from bodylocking you, bring your hands together, make fists, and bring them under his arms and post them on his chest. This traps his arms, and your fists are preventing him from getting in close to body lock you. For no gi, this is great. You can try to work for moves like Ashigaru, Kosote Gake... I haven't tried it, but I've seen it done, and it just might allow you to work some of those awesome Judo foot sweeps.
O GOSHI
This one has been seen and done. In wrestling it's known as the hip toss or hip throw. Instead of gripping his sleeve, grip his tricep. Instead of grabbing his belt, wrap your arm around his waist, and if needed, pull up on the underhooking side to guide him.
SEOI NAGE
This is one of my favorite Judo techniques. It's really tough to do when he's sweaty, but I have done it at wrestling practice before. If you're lucky enough, it does work.
When it's too hard, though, there's an easy way to adapt the Seoi Nage for no gi and MMA. Karo does it all the time, and we learn it in wrestling. When you step in, do it FAST, and quickly drop to your knees. You're in effect, doing a drop seoi nage. With enough practice, this move works really well, and it takes him by surprise. Karo hits this one really nicely.
OUCHI GARI
I like this move. Basic, effective, looks cool. Excellent move to use in a throwing combo.
Again, this is what I've seen. Please don't think I'm preaching. I'm just trying to state what I've read or seen.
Instead of the gi grip, work for double underhooks. If possible, try to immediately move yourself once he hits the ground, because this move will place you in his guard, and you won't be postured up.
With some of the other "reaping" moves (moves that end in "Gari"), you can substitute the gi grip with over hooks and under hooks.
For a lot of you Judoka out there who are into MMA in some way, you're probably saying "Yeah, no kidding." I dont know if I even helped anyone, some of this stuff is pretty obvious to Judoka who know what they're doing. But I wanted to kick off the thread with something, and who knows, maybe it contributed in some way.
coolest combination IMO.
there they teach you how to throw your opponent without the use of the gi
