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Ok, so many people think that the left is socialism and that the right is hitler. I believe a lot of this is leftist propaganda to make the right sound bad.
Left and right is NOT the same thing as liberal or conservative...if it was there would be no use for both sets of terms.
Fascist does not mean everything Hitler was....it is purely tied to gov/economics.
Note: The second half of this post is just a bunch of facts how the nazis used socialist policies and you can skip.
But here is what Left vs Right actually means. The further left you go, the bigger government is and the more control they over primarily the economic system and secondly the average citizen.
It does not mean there are laws and not laws or police and not police.
"The fundamental differences between left-wing and right-wing ideologies center around the the rights of individuals vs. the power of the government. Left-wing beliefs are liberal in that they believe society is best served with an expanded role for the government. People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized."
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing
I do not see how anyone can be a leftist. The furthest left is totalitarianism and the furthest right is no government/more freedom.
The Left and its forms
communism government owns means of production and property
socialism government owns means of production but citizens can own property
fascism private ownersip of government owns means of production and property but with government control, also called state run capitalism, government can control business through regulatory apparatus
and companies lobby to get subsidies and unfair regulations levied on the competition
The further left you go, the more brutality the government exhibits in attempt to run the economy and plans for society, it must get the populace to behave with their plans and only way to have a large mass of people act in unison like this is by force
The Right and its forms
libertarianism all privately owned, limited government with police and laws but economic activity is controlled by the free will of individuals/market, individuals are responsible for themselves and not to get handouts from government, no special rights from the gov to pick winners and losers.
Less central planning from government to run economy which results in more freedom for citizens.
I urge you to watch this short video I stole this from.
Now, as you can see the nazis were fascist/socialism.
You can also see that stimulus plans and the trump carrier dealer as well as regulations are seen as Fascistic and need to be kept to a minimum in the USA.
Now, as you can see the nazis are undoubtedly leftists.
But here is some more extra stuff on how they were socialist (even further left than fascism)
You can stop here or keep going on
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As Fuhrer, Hitler’s first priority was jobs, or the lack of them. German unemployment had peaked at 6 million due to the Depression devastating the economy. With innovative public works schemes such as the building of autobahns, Hitler put every German back to work. He also advocated schemes such as KdF – Strength Through Joy – which gave workers increased benefits for increased levels of production. This policy was popular and increasingly with the proletariat who had seen their country decimated by the depression…
By putting people back to work and making huge public spending, inflation was bound to happen. However, Hitler kept this under control by not allowing wages to rise with prices. This may have been one unpopular aspect of Hitler’s economic policy but there were many that the people supported.
So Hitler created jobs…through government.
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.
Public education, where children are at school all day long, with state-funded and state-sponsored curriculum… convinced yet?
After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
National healthcare
In Breslau in 1933, Jews were ordered to “surrender [their] weapons forthwith to the police authorities” on the basis that “Jewish citizens have allegedly used their weapons for unlawful attacks on members of the Nazi organization and the police.” This was a regular occurrence all over Germany until the Waffengesetz of 1938, which effectively banned Jewish firearm ownership in all of Germany (though this had been something of a reality for a while, as in 1935 the Gestapo had ordered no weapons permits to be issued to Jews without the approval of the Gestapo itself).
So excuse us Second Amendment supporters when we here Obama, Sanders and Clinton talking about regulating guns more than they’re regulated today. Call us paranoid. We’ll keep our gun
Dr. Tessa Chelouche goes on to quote Hitler’s 1942 policy statement on the application of abortion to Slavic people, which is chillingly similar to modern Planned Parenthood propaganda:
“In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics.”
Compare the Nazi’s application of abortion to how Planned Parenthood (a government-funded organization) operates.
APRIL 1, 1933 NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT OF JEWISH-OWNED BUSINESSES
At 10:00 a.m., members of the Storm Troopers (SA) and SS (the elite guard of the Nazi state) stand in front of Jewish-owned businesses throughout Germany to inform the public that the proprietors of these establishments are Jewish. The word “Jude,” German for “Jew,” is often smeared on store display windows, with a Star of David painted in yellow and black across the doors. Anti-Jewish signs accompany these slogans. In some towns, the SA march through the streets singing anti-Jewish slogans and party songs.
Review: Hitler demeaned the Jews. He blamed the economic and national depression on them. He instituted national boycotts of their business. He then took their money through taxes and outright looting. Hey, maybe they weren’t paying their “fair share.”
SS chief Heinrich Himmler also turned the regular (nonparty) police forces into an instrument of terror. He helped forge the powerful Secret State Police (Geheime Staatspolizei), or Gestapo; these non-uniformed police used ruthless and cruel methods throughout Germany to identify and arrest political opponents and others who refused to obey laws and policies of the Nazi regime.
Compare the Gestapo with how leftists want to jail people who do not believe in man-made climate change.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/
Left and right is NOT the same thing as liberal or conservative...if it was there would be no use for both sets of terms.
Fascist does not mean everything Hitler was....it is purely tied to gov/economics.
Note: The second half of this post is just a bunch of facts how the nazis used socialist policies and you can skip.
But here is what Left vs Right actually means. The further left you go, the bigger government is and the more control they over primarily the economic system and secondly the average citizen.
It does not mean there are laws and not laws or police and not police.
"The fundamental differences between left-wing and right-wing ideologies center around the the rights of individuals vs. the power of the government. Left-wing beliefs are liberal in that they believe society is best served with an expanded role for the government. People on the right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized."
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing
I do not see how anyone can be a leftist. The furthest left is totalitarianism and the furthest right is no government/more freedom.
The Left and its forms
communism government owns means of production and property
socialism government owns means of production but citizens can own property
fascism private ownersip of government owns means of production and property but with government control, also called state run capitalism, government can control business through regulatory apparatus
and companies lobby to get subsidies and unfair regulations levied on the competition
The further left you go, the more brutality the government exhibits in attempt to run the economy and plans for society, it must get the populace to behave with their plans and only way to have a large mass of people act in unison like this is by force
The Right and its forms
libertarianism all privately owned, limited government with police and laws but economic activity is controlled by the free will of individuals/market, individuals are responsible for themselves and not to get handouts from government, no special rights from the gov to pick winners and losers.
Less central planning from government to run economy which results in more freedom for citizens.
I urge you to watch this short video I stole this from.
Now, as you can see the nazis were fascist/socialism.
You can also see that stimulus plans and the trump carrier dealer as well as regulations are seen as Fascistic and need to be kept to a minimum in the USA.
Now, as you can see the nazis are undoubtedly leftists.
But here is some more extra stuff on how they were socialist (even further left than fascism)
You can stop here or keep going on
---------------------
As Fuhrer, Hitler’s first priority was jobs, or the lack of them. German unemployment had peaked at 6 million due to the Depression devastating the economy. With innovative public works schemes such as the building of autobahns, Hitler put every German back to work. He also advocated schemes such as KdF – Strength Through Joy – which gave workers increased benefits for increased levels of production. This policy was popular and increasingly with the proletariat who had seen their country decimated by the depression…
By putting people back to work and making huge public spending, inflation was bound to happen. However, Hitler kept this under control by not allowing wages to rise with prices. This may have been one unpopular aspect of Hitler’s economic policy but there were many that the people supported.
So Hitler created jobs…through government.
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.
Public education, where children are at school all day long, with state-funded and state-sponsored curriculum… convinced yet?
After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
National healthcare
In Breslau in 1933, Jews were ordered to “surrender [their] weapons forthwith to the police authorities” on the basis that “Jewish citizens have allegedly used their weapons for unlawful attacks on members of the Nazi organization and the police.” This was a regular occurrence all over Germany until the Waffengesetz of 1938, which effectively banned Jewish firearm ownership in all of Germany (though this had been something of a reality for a while, as in 1935 the Gestapo had ordered no weapons permits to be issued to Jews without the approval of the Gestapo itself).
So excuse us Second Amendment supporters when we here Obama, Sanders and Clinton talking about regulating guns more than they’re regulated today. Call us paranoid. We’ll keep our gun
Dr. Tessa Chelouche goes on to quote Hitler’s 1942 policy statement on the application of abortion to Slavic people, which is chillingly similar to modern Planned Parenthood propaganda:
“In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics.”
Compare the Nazi’s application of abortion to how Planned Parenthood (a government-funded organization) operates.
APRIL 1, 1933 NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT OF JEWISH-OWNED BUSINESSES
At 10:00 a.m., members of the Storm Troopers (SA) and SS (the elite guard of the Nazi state) stand in front of Jewish-owned businesses throughout Germany to inform the public that the proprietors of these establishments are Jewish. The word “Jude,” German for “Jew,” is often smeared on store display windows, with a Star of David painted in yellow and black across the doors. Anti-Jewish signs accompany these slogans. In some towns, the SA march through the streets singing anti-Jewish slogans and party songs.
Review: Hitler demeaned the Jews. He blamed the economic and national depression on them. He instituted national boycotts of their business. He then took their money through taxes and outright looting. Hey, maybe they weren’t paying their “fair share.”
SS chief Heinrich Himmler also turned the regular (nonparty) police forces into an instrument of terror. He helped forge the powerful Secret State Police (Geheime Staatspolizei), or Gestapo; these non-uniformed police used ruthless and cruel methods throughout Germany to identify and arrest political opponents and others who refused to obey laws and policies of the Nazi regime.
Compare the Gestapo with how leftists want to jail people who do not believe in man-made climate change.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/
