"For God loved the world so much that he gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life." - John 3 : 16 This is it folks. I can think of no greater verse in the bible. No judgement, no condemnation, no reproach, no anger, no talking down or anything. God, who above all things, is Holy, Righteous, and Perfect in every way and is justified completely in any approach / dealings to us, instead emptied Himself out to be nothing, so that we may gain everything. I know this thread will get derailed, scoffed, then summarily moved & dumped. I know I haven't been the most loving or compassionate person in these forums. But outside of my frailties and forgive me for the wrongs that I know / have done to any of you. I love you guys. If I did not I would post not. I hope all of you have a good day.